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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024634)
standard 11atsomto bloviating
Have you PDR'd it? Have you emailed TK about it? Have you gone to the media about how "unprofessional" UA is flying the Airbus? |
Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024613)
Right, well certainly we (line pilots) flying it the way the FM states is not unprofessional, it’s what we are supposed to do.
My criticism mainly is with the fact our policies are so unique and exceptional compared to almost all Airbus operators. My hypothesis for this is that I think this stems from at some time (potentially still) a lot of people high up in TK and in maintenance are of the “if it’s not Boeing, I’m not going” faith, and are also likely to think that all Airbus is all garbage and “stupid French”, “freakin Metric system” types…which is an ok opinion to have but that bias has found its way into official company policy. -more pilots continue to come from B6, NK, and F9 where they actually know how to fly an Airbus -UA’s Airbus fleet continues to grow & expand Joint the training department or safety committee if you are that worried about it. It is definitely something I would welcome, the aircraft is just too well designed to be limited by the constraints of fleet commonality. |
Originally Posted by RStrawberry
(Post 4024673)
This will almost certainly change as:
-more pilots continue to come from B6, NK, and F9 where they actually know how to fly an Airbus -UA’s Airbus fleet continues to grow & expand Joint the training department or safety committee if you are that worried about it. It is definitely something I would welcome, the aircraft is just too well designed to be limited by the constraints of fleet commonality. I have met at least two TK Airbus instructors (one former F9 one former NK) who agree with me.......they haven't brought it up too much for very OBVIOUS reasons. Which was kind of the genesis of the whole thread drift that...in a merger or acquisition they (B6) being the bigger Airbus operation...reverting to more Airbus school of thought for policy origination might just happen organically. I know Liberty is just fuming at the mouth, but he up until my post didn't even know what FCOM was...... Also somewhat recently , Im not sure what year it was, but Airbus had the best score in the fleet in some safety metrics using FOQA analytics. Manny Instructors told me that they thought in part FMA callouts (a VERY AIRBUS thing) had at least some role in that.........I'm not making this up people. |
Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024680)
even more 11atsomto bloviating
And to stay on topic... only folks want a merger with JB are JB folks. No UA pilot (except a few senior UA FL folks that hope for an FL Airbus base) would want it |
Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024680)
if I lived I Denver I would try to "get in the building" however I could.......something tells me my views on Airbus best practices wouldn't enhance my chances.
I have met at least two TK Airbus instructors (one former F9 one former NK) who agree with me.......they haven't brought it up too much for very OBVIOUS reasons. Which was kind of the genesis of the whole thread drift that...in a merger or acquisition they (B6) being the bigger Airbus operation...reverting to more Airbus school of thought for policy origination might just happen organically. I know Liberty is just fuming at the mouth, but he up until my post didn't even know what FCOM was...... Also somewhat recently , Im not sure what year it was, but Airbus had the best score in the fleet in some safety metrics using FOQA analytics. Manny Instructors told me that they thought in part FMA callouts (a VERY AIRBUS thing) had at least some role in that.........I'm not making this up people. |
If we merged with JetBlue guess how we’d fly the Bus?
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
(Post 4024706)
TK guy told me it’s for fleet commonality and nothing else
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Originally Posted by libertyrisk
(Post 4024688)
LOL don't try to spin it and make it look like I started this and I'm the dum arse... the FAA seems to be ok with the way UA flies the AB - for over 30 years. I've been here 11 years and on the Airbus the whole time. I'm all about learning so tell me bud, how do we at UA fly the Airbus "borderline unprofessionally" ... YOU said it so give us some examples.
And to stay on topic... only folks want a merger with JB are JB folks. No UA pilot (except a few senior UA FL folks that hope for an FL Airbus base) would want it |
I came from nearly a decade at F9 and am now Airbus at UA. I wouldn’t call the way United flies the AB unprofessional, but there certainly are some cultural things that seem “goofy” from my previous experience. Chief among them being the absolutely insane obsession about brake temperatures. Also, the weird aversion to using auto brakes an any landing, or the lack of trust in the auto thrust system. I admit that I enjoy flying manual thrust quite often for personal enjoyment, but many people I fly with never use it because they genuinely have some weird trust issues with it. I have never seen the Airbus autothrust perform poorly enough that I wouldn’t feel comfortable using it at any time.
Also have seen many pilots fly around for significant amounts of time in MCT thrust (which UA allows, but I thought Airbus did not?). |
Originally Posted by tmtbikerHold on a sec Friendly. You're comparing apples and potatoes. Some on the thread are discussing the purchase of all or part of a struggling airline. You're referring to airplanes that were coming off lease at SWA and were for sale outright by a leasing company. The leasing company was selling them, why would pilots be involved? I'm not sure how your statement proves anything. Those airplanes never actually entered the fleet anyway.
Originally Posted by MiracleMets
(Post 4022744)
why do you know this?
To answer your question directly a few different ways of proving: 1) our -700s have always been ships 701-740, plus 751 and 752 (ex Copa w/ the second main battery). This was the sub fleet prior to the 19 ex SWA airplanes and it's the sub fleet today. Thus, we did not put those tails into service. 2) At times we THOUGHT we were going to fly them. By this time we had retrofitted all the NGs to split schimitar (prior to this some NGs had the classic 'up only' winglet). When they all went split schimitar, the FM was edited to remove the old winglet info (dimensions etc). Well here come the 19 ex SWA NGs with the older winglets! So in a hurry they reinserted the winglet info BACK into the FM. 3) It was covered in the 'press' fairly clearly at the time. https://onemileatatime.com/united-ai...ying-used-737/ Hope that satiates your curiosity. |
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