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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024601)
Your response is the classic knee jerk response that anyone old and senior says when an improvement and/or enhancement either operational or contractual exists in the industry pointed out by someone less senior. I mean I get it, it will hurt your ego too much to admit there might be validity to it.
I've been at United long enough to get used to it. Doesn't mean it's the best way. I love when an FM revision comes out, and during the town hall, where the genesis of the changes is referenced. Recommendations from the manufacturer (Airbus) is like always the last.....I think that says it all. I will not reveal where I am from, but know that it is not Missouri. I didn’t like it when they started making us fly Boeings like the Airbus, but it’s much easier when you transition to another fleet. The major problem I have with your post is calling it unprofessional to fly the Airbus the way the United FM states. I hate flying with old people that always say “this isn’t how we did it at” My ego gets left at home when I’m flying. |
Originally Posted by jdt30
(Post 4024607)
i realized it was knee jerk so I deleted it.
I didn’t like it when they started making us fly Boeings like the Airbus, but it’s much easier when you transition to another fleet. The major problem I have with your post is calling it unprofessional to fly the Airbus the way the United FM states. I hate flying with old people that always say “this isn’t how we did it at” My ego gets left at home when I’m flying. My criticism mainly is with the fact our policies are so unique and exceptional compared to almost all Airbus operators. My hypothesis for this is that I think this stems from at some time (potentially still) a lot of people high up in TK and in maintenance are of the “if it’s not Boeing, I’m not going” faith, and are also likely to think that all Airbus is all garbage and “stupid French”, “freakin Metric system” types…which is an ok opinion to have but that bias has found its way into official company policy. |
Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024613)
Right, well certainly we (line pilots) flying it the way the FM states is not unprofessional, it’s what we are supposed to do.
My criticism mainly is with the fact our policies are so unique and exceptional compared to almost all Airbus operators. My hypothesis for this is that I think this stems from at some time (potentially still) a lot of people high up in TK and in maintenance are of the “if it’s not Boeing, I’m not going” faith, and are also likely to think that all Airbus is all garbage and “stupid French”, “freakin Metroc system” types…..which is an ok opinion to have but that bias has found its way into official company policy. just talked to a friend at Delta. He said they are slowly transitioning back to flying the Airbus like an Airbus. |
Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024613)
Right, well certainly we (line pilots) flying it the way the FM states is not unprofessional, it’s what we are supposed to do.
My criticism mainly is with the fact our policies are so unique and exceptional compared to almost all Airbus operators. My hypothesis for this is that I think this stems from at some time (potentially still) a lot of people high up in TK and in maintenance are of the “if it’s not Boeing, I’m not going” faith, and are also likely to think that all Airbus is all garbage and “stupid French”, “freakin Metric system” types…which is an ok opinion to have but that bias has found its way into official company policy. |
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp;[url=tel:4024617
4024617[/url]]Fleet harmonization. It’s not hypothetical.
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024587)
……but one silver lining is we may actually start flying the Airbus…….the way an Airbus is supposed to be flown and not making up our own way ……which not only is annoying but kind of borderline unprofessional
Please, give us some examples on how to fly the Airbus "professionally"... |
Originally Posted by libertyrisk
(Post 4024622)
lol gross... if anyone from TK reads this please keep these people out of the Airbus training dept.
Please, give us some examples on how to fly the Airbus "professionally"... |
Originally Posted by 11atsomto
(Post 4024623)
Airbus FCOM
Since all the hiring after covid I have flown with a lot of Airbus folks formally at JB, Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant and International and it's been great for the most part. I've even learned some stuff from those folks. The hardest to fly with have your mindset... "UA flies the Airbus wrong" ... na dude, I'm flying it per UA standards, I'm good. |
Originally Posted by libertyrisk
(Post 4024630)
I'm looking super hard at FOM chapter 1 section 20 and I don't see anything about "Airbus FICOM" ... so, if we are flying the plane per UAs standards, how is that "borderline unprofessional"? Give some examples...
Since all the hiring after covid I have flown with a lot of Airbus folks formally at JB, Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant and International and it's been great for the most part. I've even learned some stuff from those folks. The hardest to fly with have your mindset... "UA flies the Airbus wrong" ... na dude, I'm flying it per UA standards, I'm good. Do you really NOT know what the Airbus FCOM is?......it's ok if you don't but it would surprise me. Have you ever wondered why all that inhibition logic is based on 80 knots?.......It's ok if you haven't Again I know my lines in the script so I can produce a great performance with the other actors in our theatre company..........but I think the adaption of our play might just be a little different than what the original playwright had in mind. Sorry if pointing this out makes people feel uncomfortable. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 4024621)
It’s stupid, and Airbus makes a fantastic airplane.
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