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05-14-2026 | 06:11 PM
#291
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1) If roles were reversed, no one in the older generation would give up upgrading at a legacy of given the same opportunity.
2) Most FOs who took the upgrade at indoc (maybe all of the FOs?) were either CAs at the regionals or UA is their 3rd airline. If you can’t do the job by now, idk if another 3-5 years would change things
05-14-2026 | 06:35 PM
#292
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Only way to gain experience in the seat is to upgrade. Can’t be an FO forever. I know I know… fly as an FO first then upgrade, but 2 things…
1) If roles were reversed, no one in the older generation would give up upgrading at a legacy of given the same opportunity.
2) Most FOs who took the upgrade at indoc (maybe all of the FOs?) were either CAs at the regionals or UA is their 3rd airline. If you can’t do the job by now, idk if another 3-5 years would change things
1) If roles were reversed, no one in the older generation would give up upgrading at a legacy of given the same opportunity.
2) Most FOs who took the upgrade at indoc (maybe all of the FOs?) were either CAs at the regionals or UA is their 3rd airline. If you can’t do the job by now, idk if another 3-5 years would change things
05-14-2026 | 08:38 PM
#293
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Hiring demands have created a situation where the pilots in a new hire class without PIC were outliers, almost every new used to have PIC/AC time.
Some of the people I’m talking about maybe did 2-3 years at a regional and never upgraded.
My new hire class (about a decade ago), civ only hired had 10k+ TT, and more TPIC than many new hired have TOTAL TIME.
05-14-2026 | 09:10 PM
#294
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From: Guppy Gear Slinger
Only way to gain experience in the seat is to upgrade. Can’t be an FO forever. I know I know… fly as an FO first then upgrade, but 2 things…
1) If roles were reversed, no one in the older generation would give up upgrading at a legacy of given the same opportunity.
2) Most FOs who took the upgrade at indoc (maybe all of the FOs?) were either CAs at the regionals or UA is their 3rd airline. If you can’t do the job by now, idk if another 3-5 years would change things
1) If roles were reversed, no one in the older generation would give up upgrading at a legacy of given the same opportunity.
2) Most FOs who took the upgrade at indoc (maybe all of the FOs?) were either CAs at the regionals or UA is their 3rd airline. If you can’t do the job by now, idk if another 3-5 years would change things
I've flown with about 5 new hire CAs. 3 of them had never been CAs before. 2 of those had gone from zero time to UAL CA in 5 years. I'm talking about people who started flight training during covid. I kid you not.
Fortunately the total number of such CAs is quite small, but it sure ain't zero.
Yesterday | 05:58 AM
#295
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I've flown with about 5 new hire CAs. 3 of them had never been CAs before. 2 of those had gone from zero time to UAL CA in 5 years. I'm talking about people who started flight training during covid. I kid you not.
Fortunately the total number of such CAs is quite small, but it sure ain't zero.
Fortunately the total number of such CAs is quite small, but it sure ain't zero.
Yesterday | 06:03 AM
#296
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Yesterday | 06:43 AM
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For all this shade being thrown on New Hire Captains, I wonder if any of them have caused any kind of incident.
Let’s not forget that new hire captains happened because FOs across the seniority list refused to upgrade with their combined experience. Yes new hire captains may be opportunist, but that’s the American dream man. They still needed all the FAA reqs.
a 1000 SIC hour captain at the regionals and a 1000 hour SIC captain at UA are still both flying United customers.
Let’s not forget that new hire captains happened because FOs across the seniority list refused to upgrade with their combined experience. Yes new hire captains may be opportunist, but that’s the American dream man. They still needed all the FAA reqs.
a 1000 SIC hour captain at the regionals and a 1000 hour SIC captain at UA are still both flying United customers.
Yesterday | 08:21 AM
#298
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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard
Older, 4th airline, 15k TT, new UA NB FO. Have been treated with more respect than I deserve by all the yellow/green dots in the left seat. And without fault they realized how great their timing worked out for them.
Yesterday | 08:29 AM
#299
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FFS this again?
Plenty of great CAs here at UAL with no previous CA experience. Some I know are respected LCPs. Most are professional, mature, and have had years of right seat experience learning how good (and not so good) CAs operate. European carriers have 25 year old yoga influencers Captaining 737s with no issues. Is flying in the US that much more demanding that in Europe?
Yes the ironic thing is the senior WB FO bitching about low experience CAs but won't move his ass from the right seat to the left seat and bring all that experience with him.
I'll take a fresh CA with a humble good attitude over a 5K PIC hours cocky entitled complacent CA any day of the week.
Yes the ironic thing is the senior WB FO bitching about low experience CAs but won't move his ass from the right seat to the left seat and bring all that experience with him.
I'll take a fresh CA with a humble good attitude over a 5K PIC hours cocky entitled complacent CA any day of the week.
Yesterday | 08:49 AM
#300
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From: Guppy gear slinger
I was concerned about flying with these new, young, just timed it perfectly type captains when I got here as an older and experienced LCC captain. I find the vast majority of them to be sharp in their skills, respectful, and generally a pleasure to fly with. The only issues I’ve had with captains have been the 60+ ex Air Force crowd that couldn’t CRM their way out of a wet paper bag.
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