I don’t remember any coming out in the safety publications, but I haven’t checked in awhile.

Think back to your Cessna prop days. The ones that were safest in that tin can were the student pilots and newly minted PPLs. They weren’t complacent, low tolerance for risk, and mitigated threats by being overly cautious. I’d venture to say that the indoc CAs are the same way. This isn’t to say that they are immune to a mess up or a bad day at the office, but probably a lot less of them messing up.

More experienced CAs will push things a bit because they know the plane and the operation. Unfortunately, this only works until it doesn’t.

In any case, strict adherence to SOPs and good decision making will get you from A to B safely. Everyone has passed the training and at this point, passed recurrent. Let’s keep looking out for each other and check the ego at the door

 

Hearing stuff like this is encouraging. NHCAs get a lot of hate. Glad the majority stay humble and are decent people to fly with

 

Cool narrative but not true at all and unsubstantiated. I am no more bold than I was 10000 hours ago…just more experience in my back pocket that will help me make better decisions. The safest pilots are the most inexperienced? Is that your assertion? And what about when lack of experience leads down a wrong path no matter how “cautious” one is? To basically claim that more experience makes you a worse pilot due to “complacency” is quite the stretch. I’m sure when you need open heart surgery you will choose the least experienced because they are the “best”?

 

Unsubstantiated? Data published by the NTSB paints a VERY different picture. Looks like the narrative isn’t just cool, but holds some weight.

You not being bolder now than 10,000 hours ago is also pretty disingenuous. You are absolutely more bold (aka confident) now than 10,000 hours ago. Like I said, disingenuous.

And no, I’m not saying more experience means that they are less safe, but they grow complacent. Things also true as it’s something the FAA brings up in safety materials. Only way to mitigate that is to follow SOP even if you’ve been flying the ILS 22L into EWR for 3 decades. In other words, the risk of having experience is that it can breed complacency if left unchecked.

Let me be clear, no one is above getting into a situation where you have to write up a FSAP. However, what do you think these NHCAs are doing wrong? Busting speed limits on an arrival every leg? Taxiing into a tug? What? The real egregious events come out for the rest of us to learn from. I’d be interested in seeing the data of which pilots are “getting themselves into trouble.”

The notion that NHCAs are out there getting in trouble and causing accidents/incidents left and right are so over blown. These pilots are flying every month and doing it safely.

I’d employee you to crack up a FAA safety publication every once in while. It would help broaden you horizons a bit on the topic

 

Go to your favorite browser, type in "Bold vs. confident", let my know what it tells you.....

 

Those two are being used interchangeably, but the point still stands

 

concur. If my pairing CA begins with a U4, I can almost guarantee it’s going to be a SOP and relatively drama free day at the office. U1xxxxx? Could be anything.

 

more confident and aware of my capabilities? Yes.

More bravado and complacency? No..and that probably applies to the vast majority despite what you insist.

Again, you think the absence of crashes and accidents means new captains are not making mistake mistakes. My (confidential) CQ briefings say otherwise… they are just not publicized, but go ahead and bury your head in the sand. It’s only the extreme safety built into the system that covers up things and prevents the holes in the cheese from lining up.

 

Complacency is the polar opposite of paranoia. Neither a professional attribute. Why with adequate training, checking, experience was the crew in question unable to maintain situational awareness regarding glide path deviation is a matter now in the hands of investigating parties.

 

Peak APC comment. These new hire guys suck, my super secret knowledge of them that I can’t share with you proves it!

Let’s not forgot this whole thread is about a 76, a light pole, and a bread truck. No new hire captains were used in the making of that story.