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Old 05-09-2026 | 07:10 AM
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uh oh. We’re low, go around, flaps 20.
See you also bastardize the go-around maneuver profile (you know our SOP)… it’s not “uh oh”… and you don’t tell them what flaps to set during the actual GA maneuver… that’s their job as PF. You learn these F’d up profiles from L-CAL and have used them during your accumulation of 8000 hours in type? 😂
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Old 05-09-2026 | 07:32 AM
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How about we stop departures at LGA anytime “bird activity in the vicinity of the airport” is reported on the ATIS? Considering what happened once in the history of the place.
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Old 05-09-2026 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sl0wr0ll3r
False choice. Because it might be more difficult in a guppie doesn’t make it acceptable for a WB.
Spoken like someone who's never flown a pitch-sensitive jet with a 160kt+ target speed.

Give me the docile, easy-to-fly, retirement-cruiser WB with the much lower approach speed, better brakes, better automation etc over the guppy all-day, every-day.

And if EWR is landing 29 when the wind is between 260 and 320 at more than 20kts, I'm not going to make an effort to land on the 22s with a strong crosswind, even if I'm in the guppyER. Imagine trying to justify scraping a cowl or a wing tip after refusing to land on the runway that pointed into the wind just because "RNAV scary."

The 22s have displaced thresholds too, you still need to cross the threshold at an appropriate altitude, no matter the runway.
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Old 05-09-2026 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
Let me throw this hypothetical out there for you.

You are in the left seat and have just upgraded to the 75/76 from the 320...cause now you can finally hold good stuff. You consolidated but still kind of new.....so you are not yet "Blue", but otherwise very experienced as far as the company goes.. You are operating domestic unaugmented 764 to EWR. Your FO has more time on the airframe than you but she has less than 2 years on property, (she used the vacancy during her indoc and never flew the narrow body for UAL). It's her leg and she asks if you could request 22L....as she hasnt yet done 29 in the 764, only once as PM on the 757. You say "Oh come on it's nothing I've done it hundreds of times on the a320, it's so easy to do, I don't know why we make such a big deal about it. There is a first time for everything you are gonna have to do it eventually."......she succumbs to your occupational peer pressure and accepts it reluctantly. Then you hit a light pole. Imagine how you sound on that CVR........
Three points,

If I’m the Captain, and she doesn’t want to fly the 29 approach, I’d take it from her, and demo it, talk her through it since she’s obviously hesitant to fly it for whatever reason. Perhaps if She/He has seen it before, the anxiety about it will diminish. But a red flag in my book concerning the F/O’s reluctance.

The F/O isn’t a rookie…United didn’t hire her with 250 hrs, I’d assume she was a captain somewhere else before United hired her. If she wasn’t, that could be where the problem lies.

I flew the C-17 in the Air Fiorce . That big Fu#@er could land on a 3500 ft runway at over 500,000 Lbs, with 1000 ft to spare, ALL day long,! Part of the reason we could do that was we had a 500 ft box to land in and if you didn’t it was an automatic go-around. The other reason was massive and effective brakes, which we manually operated as soon as the mains touched down, I’m talking pressing on those brake pedals as hard as your legs can stand. Reason I bring this up, is both the 767/757 can give you impresssivly short landing distances, using manual braking, and you won’t get hot brakes if done smoothly. The auto brakes are great, but if you really want to slow the jet down max manual, or max auto brakes will do the trick.
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Old 05-09-2026 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
See you also bastardize the go-around maneuver profile (you know our SOP)… it’s not “uh oh”… and you don’t tell them what flaps to set during the actual GA maneuver… that’s their job as PF. You learn these F’d up profiles from L-CAL and have used them during your accumulation of 8000 hours in type? 😂
Yes. PF call. Baseline Boeing unless recently revised. All one phrase. Easy peasy. Easier still if pilot monitoring gets your SA eyes moving with enough space to reject the procedure as defined under FM stabilized approach criteria/limits. Saving landings, transferring control at the fence, off a bounce, past the touchdown zone, rarely worth the adrenal rush.
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Old 05-09-2026 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
But before you arrive, just a few questions..
Was accident aircraft approved for approach to landing runway as reported for conditions? Yes

Was accident aircraft operated within required performance data? Yes

Was accident aircraft below standard glide path? Yes

Were required deviation instruments/indicators above/below standard glide path for charted displaced threshold runway operational? Yes

Was/were glide path deviation callout(s) made at anytime by any assigned crewmember?
What did you eat for your crew meal?
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Old 05-09-2026 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
What did you eat for your crew meal?
I had the fish
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Old 05-09-2026 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeBlo
What in the DEi is going on.....

Maybe less emphasis on gender and sexual orientation and more emphasis on flying the airplane...
Originally Posted by OFFCOURSE
The crew is all male caucasion.
Did anybody notice all the anti-DEI folks squawking 7600 after this was posted? Radio check JoeBlo and tommy2times, radio check….
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Old 05-09-2026 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Vito
The F/O isn’t a rookie…United didn’t hire *them* with 250 hrs, I’d assume she was a captain somewhere else before United hired her. If she wasn’t, that could be where the problem lies.
In this hiring environment, it is a bit of an assumption to believe that FO had PIC/were a CA elsewhere.

Some of the CA's I fly with are on their FIRST upgrade.

Originally Posted by Vito
I flew the C-17 in the Air Fiorce . That big Fu#@er could land on a 3500 ft runway at over 500,000 Lbs, with 1000 ft to spare, ALL day long,!
But did you do it 300 yards from 4000 Cubans that are trained to kill you?

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Old 05-09-2026 | 12:49 PM
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“But did you do it 300 yards from 4000 Cubans that are trained to kill you?”

If you’re talking about Gitmo, been there, done that, got the T-shirt x 20
Flew 141’s and -17’s for 28 years.

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