Nice hyperbole..never said anything about sucking. But you seem to think there have been no incidents or near misses simply because you haven’t heard of them. Or Maybe because it’s info we are not privy to. Maybe your next CQ ask your instructor and they’d be glad to share in the confines of the FTC but I’m not going to post dirty laundry here bud.

 

No need to post dirty laundry. You are already calling out your fellow pilot and union members in a public forum. You wouldn’t want to make yourself look worse by posting some dirty laundry now.

 

In a different post, you recommended someone as their instructor while at CQ about NHCAs. I did since I was curious about it. The overwhelming notion is that a NHCA CAs are doing a good job in training and CQ events. Mainly because the NHCAs are aware that they lack experience so they compensate for it in other areas. From FAs to fellow pilots, the younger CAs are thought of in a positive manner.

For the third or fourth time, no one is saying that any pilot, whether experienced or inexperienced, are above making mistakes. It can happen to anyone, but the threat of having experience is that it leads to complacency. This is objectively true and supported by the NTSB and FAA. Experience has its place and an experienced crew is preferred over an inexperienced crew. All I’m saying is that the sky isn’t falling or with the NHCAs despite what the older folks on property think.

Are there mistakes? Sure, but older folks are also making mistakes. From personal experience, anytime it got hairy or dicey it was with a senior captain. This data point is over 3 different airlines. Look at the regionals. The regional carriers operate in and out of our hubs with very inexperienced flight crews and… you guessed it… first time CAs. Different plane, same operation.

The extreme safety mechanism that exists today catch all sorts of holes in the Swiss cheese regardless of experience level. That’s the point of said mechanism. The point of all this is that there’s no such things as a perfect flight. There are such things as safe flights. The mechanism exists to catch all the holes so that it doesn’t turn into an unsafe flight.

This isn’t me bashing older and experienced folks. Far from it. I’m just saying that those experience folks get complacent at times and the NHCAs aren’t falling out of the sky. Both parties are shielded by the safety mechanism in place and both can make a mistake at anytime.

Unless you can expand on some of the points you stated, I don’t know if there’s much else to talk about. Keeping something vague isn’t going help your case and bashing the NHCAs won’t help either. We all make mistakes, let’s learn from it and keep it moving.

 

And for the 100th time nobody is saying planes are crashing and falling out of the sky. But the absence of that does not mean everything is copacetic…because the potential is there. I’m just relaying learning incidents during briefing from my last CQs that happened to be new captains where some seasoning might have helped. And planes aren’t falling out of the sky either from complacency so that falls flat on its face from your part.

 

obviously havent reviewed the data of regional accidents vs the majors in last 20 years. .

 

As mentioned pages back, we've "rolled 7's lately"

Had Maui gone wrong, and/or THIS one gone wrong, the regionals wouldn't even matter.......

Sorry, it's not that the 76 and 777 are so experienced and good, they were simply lucky.

And, dare I say, had Maui and EWR gone wrong, anyone think we'd still be in business?

And those are just the high profile ones we KNOW ABOUT.

 

We’re speaking in circles. I don’t doubt what you’re saying, but the notion was that NHCAs are out there breaking all the SOPs and being dangerous. Maybe not directly from you, but that’s the general attitude towards NHCAs.

I’m sure there are things that some seasoning could’ve helped out a lot or avoided a situation where an FSAP was required. This is going to be part of the growing process in any aviator.

And I’d consider the 737 overrun in IAH and the Maui incidents that happened partly due to complacency so there is that.




and because will probably point out the definition of complacency.

Webster definition of complacency: Self-satisfaction especially when accompanied by unawareness of actual dangers or deficiencies.

 

I’m aware of the difference in numbers, BUT IIRC almost all (if not all) of the accidents/incidents were from lifers and not new CAs

 

We would still be in business.