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Originally Posted by ERJ Jay
(Post 895194)
We probably are 40 short, or more.
Not to mention any effect the NPRM will have. However, the school house is pretty much full with recalling all of our guys, plus back filling guys into the 777 so they are not short when the 787 comes along. With no slots left in the school house till at least March anyway (my best guess), there is no rush to call any UAL guys. We're not even projected to have a system bid till March, however, at the CPO pizza meeting last week he said they would "probably" move it up to Jan like it usually is. Thanks for the updates on classes, systems bids, and training loads. Keep us posted if you hear any further info. Thanks! SP |
Originally Posted by SONORA PASS
(Post 895344)
Keep us posted if you hear any further info.
The last of our furloughed pilots coming back have class dates of March 7th +/-. IF, they run another bid in January, that would jive with getting people into class in the April time frame +/-. Traditionally CAL doesn't do much training in the summer - late May to Labor Day - as the check airman are used to cover the summer flying. So if guys were to be called, I would only expect them to run classes from April to late May (perhaps 4-5 classes of 16) prior to spooling down for the summer. Again, JMHO |
Originally Posted by ERJ Jay
(Post 895396)
As I typed this, the last class of recalls received their training dates today.
The last of our furloughed pilots coming back have class dates of March 7th +/-. IF, they run another bid in January, that would jive with getting people into class in the April time frame +/-. Traditionally CAL doesn't do much training in the summer - late May to Labor Day - as the check airman are used to cover the summer flying. So if guys were to be called, I would only expect them to run classes from April to late May (perhaps 4-5 classes of 16) prior to spooling down for the summer. Again, JMHO Thanks! This analysis is very helpful in planning on what to expect going forward. I appreciate your help and thoughtfulness. All the best, SP |
I know someone with a March 10 class date that was very very low down on the list, so I am guessing that is either the last class or 2nd to last.
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With the latest round of 787 delays just announced today (Boeing says 10 additional months), I would think staffing will only be adjusted for 737 deliveries and a few retirements late next year. I'm guessing we'll have another system bid early 2011 now too. Bummer. Fingers crossed they don't cancel class for the recalled guys, it will be good to have y'all back!
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Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne
(Post 896697)
With the latest round of 787 delays just announced today (Boeing says 10 additional months), I would think staffing will only be adjusted for 737 deliveries and a few retirements late next year. I'm guessing we'll have another system bid early 2011 now too. Bummer. Fingers crossed they don't cancel class for the recalled guys, it will be good to have y'all back!
Boeing reviewing 787 delivery schedule as post-certification rework looms - FlightBlogger - Aviation News, Commentary and Analysis Issues ranging from a flight deck window popping sound discovered during flight test, addressing cabin condensation issues, reworking passenger doors, resolving workmanship issues on the aircraft's horizontal stabilizer and incorporating changes to the Trent 1000 engine, are among the issues that add up to slide the deliveries to the 787's earliest customers well into 2011 or potentially even 2012. Another factory engineer says: "If final assembly were the only thing that had to be done in Everett, they would crank those airplanes through the factory in no time. Unfortunately, the bulk of the activity on the line appears to be rework of supplier-sourced assemblies." :( |
Originally Posted by Brocc15
(Post 896583)
I know someone with a March 10 class date that was very very low down on the list, so I am guessing that is either the last class or 2nd to last.
Thanks for the class updates. With the JCBA work rules/scope in play, 787 sliding down the centerline, and a host of other variables, it sure looks like any guess at future class dates will be one wild guess at best! I am still hopeful... SP |
Hmmm...an outsourced product saves pennies up front and costs dollars later on...all the while costing local jobs...
...now where have I heard of that before...? |
Do what you do best and outsource the rest.
It's a principle that has been around forever and it is really true. Boeing is a systems integrator. They take multiple parts and turn it into a major system platform. It's much better to have companies who are experts at turning out certain pieces (airframe, wings, whatever components) manufacture and deliver them to Boeing, rather than Boeing (who is a good integrator, but maybe not an expert at manufacturing certain pieces) do it. That comment about all the problem coming from subcontractors is just some union wrench turner who is mad because his overpaid union job got outsourced to someone who can do it cheaper and better. Labor unions need to be careful to not set their wages outside of what the market will bear, otherwise their jobs will go away. The UAW is a perfect example. Unions should be there to support their employee's, not demand ridiculous wages. |
Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 896958)
Do what you do best and outsource the rest.
It's a principle that has been around forever and it is really true. Boeing is a systems integrator. They take multiple parts and turn it into a major system platform. It's much better to have companies who are experts at turning out certain pieces (airframe, wings, whatever components) manufacture and deliver them to Boeing, rather than Boeing (who is a good integrator, but maybe not an expert at manufacturing certain pieces) do it. That comment about all the problem coming from subcontractors is just some union wrench turner who is mad because his overpaid union job got outsourced to someone who can do it cheaper and better. Labor unions need to be careful to not set their wages outside of what the market will bear, otherwise their jobs will go away. The UAW is a perfect example. Unions should be there to support their employee's, not demand ridiculous wages. How dare a bunch of skilled Americans demand to be paid for their labor at the expense of a few billionairs. |
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