Thanks Riddler. This will eventually get interesting if integration takes a while. You will have the most senior United furloughees presumably get hired at Continental. At some point United will recall those same furloughees, most of whom will leave Continental and return to United, creating a training nightmare at Continental. I am not sure that this was thought all of the way thru in the transition agreement, or perhaps, they were just optimistic that the JCBA and SLI would be completed very quickly, which doesn't appear to be the case. If 300 United furloughees were hired at Continental and then left to return to United, and the cotal cost of training including salary, uniforms, IOE, housing, per diem etc were $50K/pilot, that would equate to $15,000,000. A bit of a hit to the bottom line. Whatever the number is (I had heard 50K in the past), insert it and do the math.

 

Perhaps, Coto...but I am not so optimistic to think the CAL side will bring on 300 UAL furloughees. They will probably do it slowly for reasons such as you point out. Also, the company can control the floodgates by recalling UAL guys extra slowly if a bunch have gone to CAL jobs...

Also, I am not so sure the CAL jobs will be as popular as you seem to think. There are so many unknowns, that I think many/most with stable jobs will stay put at first anyway. Who wants to commute (or move) to Guam/EWR/CLE indefinitely if the plan is to get back to a UAL domicile ASAP?

 

Maybe we need to bring your expectations up a bit.........with scope, QOL improvements etc. I don't expect C2000 rates, but very close. The last quarter profit would pay for much of the entire contract to put things in perspective.

Without the advertised "synergies" UAL makes THAT kind of coin ?!
If the airline was fully integrated I wonder what the profit would have been then?

FUPM

Oh about the UAL pension debacle.....there is a great episode of Frontline about it and available on the web.

 

The company will have no control over retirements, In December of next year, the flood gates will again open and just to maintain the same number of pilots, both companies will be hiring. United has 263 mandatory retirements in 2012 and 235 in 2013, Continental has 7 and 183. This doesn't include forced retirements due to health and people just leaving. Continental is supposed to be growing, especially if the 787's ever arrive. With 1437 United pilots on furlough, Continental will have no problem getting United pilots to fill classes, my guess is that you will have guys get hired at Continental, get a base they don't like and then quit and wait for the call to return to United. I agree that many will not go to Continental that have better positions, but my guess is at least a 1/3 to 1/2 will. Managements goal of an integrated company by late next year might be very optimistic based on recent progress, not to mention the inevitable lawsuits over the SLI.

 

I don't think the mandatory age 65 retirements start until Dec 2012. Rolex that 1 year right.

 

My bad.......

 

C'mon, Carl, we know how much you hate labor. Give it a rest for a while and pretend that you're actually in favor of a living wage for US workers....

 

You read my entire post and had to ask?
Screw me once, that's life at the bottom.
Screw me twice and I'm getting very ticked at only the very senior being represented.
Screw me thrice and you're a (censored) dirtbag whom I will never trust again.

Tilton and UAL management has screwed us 2x furloughees less than UALALPO. So think about that the next time you hear a UAL pilot whine about Tilton and UAL management.

 

I agree with you on Tilton and management.

Where is your your allegiance? Don't f%$#* your mother, wife, brother, sister because you are angry. Grow up

 

I have had enough of the threads on MEC soap operas and staple gun wars.

What is the latest from the IAH school house?

Anything new on the CAL training plans in light of 787 new smoke and flames demo?

Did everyone getting recalled get class dates yet?

SP