There seems to be a lot of animosity against the Skywest pilots but not for the Shuttle America pilots. My guess is its because Skywest pilots have repeatedly voted down ALPA representation and independent union representation. I wouldn't be surprised if ALPA has reached out to the Shuttle America pilots through the IBT to coordinate whatever strategy they come up with to fight this. If Skywest pilots were ALPA, or just unionized, they too would be able to participate in discussions happening right now between the SPCS, CAL ALPA, UAL ALPA, XJT ALPA, ASA ALPA, Mesa ALPA, TSA ALPA, Colgan ALPA, Commutair ALPA (ALL UAX/CALEX ALPA carriers) to coordinate whatever the SPSC and CAL ALPA come up with as a total game strategy and specific tactics to be used to fight this on ALL fronts. Whatever this strategy is, this information and direction will be dessimanted quickly to all the ALPA carriers involved through the SPSC to exert as legal much pressure possible to UAL management and we wouldn't have this infighting between fellow professional pilots. At some point, we all should band together for the betterment of the entire industry and stop being passive about it just because its convenient.

Just a thought.

 

History is very important in this debate...I didn't create this mess. This flying was sold to prop up pay, retirement, and workrules of those at the top of mainline lists. In addition, there has been the "ego" issue of flying small planes. Now 20 years later, there is a change of heart...Doesn't alter the fact that you are going after people who didn't create the problem in the first place.

You really expect those of us who have made a good career, in what has arguably been the worst stretch of history in the business, to just say "OK, take my job"...YGTBSM! It's not "ego"..."ego" is what created this mess by mainline pilots who didn't want to fly "little airplanes"....I'll fly a GD Piper Cub if I can have a good schedule and make a good living...No ego, just a desire to make a good living and have a good schedule...No different than YOU!

 

Psst...This is UNITED EXPRESS flying...CAL is going away.

I will do what is necessary to defend my job also...Hell of a way to run a "union", but that is what this confict of interest has come down to....Maybe you guys shouldn't have stuck your heads in the sand on this issue the past 20 years...

The first Skywest pilot that gets denied the jumpseat will result in me joining in....Be very careful with what you start...

 

You just don't get it do you....Many of stayed at the regionals BECAUSE the mainline sold this flying and we grew while you shrank. 15 years ago, I was saying this was a mistake, but you continued to do it.

We all suffered by this huge mistake...I'm done suffering because of mistakes made by ALPA, APA, and mainline egos....

 

It's my flying because it pays my paycheck, and provides for me. You really expect me to give it all up just because you say so? My company has grown almost every year the past 20+ years. My company has been profitable every quarter. In essence, it was a better business plan than actually having a code and selling the seats....That has largely been a money losing proposition since deregulation. I decided to stay with the growing money making company rather than the shrinking money losing company...To each their own....

You really are clueless.

1. Doesn't take much to make a 50 seater weight limited for a jumpseater. Safety first.

2. The fact that you are actually promoting whipsaw and other regionals bidding lower to get flying shows you have no idea what harm that does to YOUR pay and workrules. That puts pressure on your pay and workrules when the cost of the regional feed goes down....You are only slitting your own throat when someone cheaper comes in....

 

I have been saying the exact same thing for over 10 years now...The same attorney is representing both the husband and the wife in the divorce. It is a huge conflict of interest. See we agree...

 

Joe -- "is going away", but HAS NOT YET and WE MUST HAVE A CONTRACT FIRST, AND THEY MUST ABIDE BY OURS NOW! CAL WILL NOT GO AWAY FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER 12-18 MONTHS, JOE! Where do u think that it is ok to jsut dump our contract? YOU ARE WRONG!

 

This is United Express flying....You have had your code on 70 seat United Express flying for over a year now.....We'll see who is wrong...You have also had the CAL code on USAir 90 seat RJs....

 

How is it any better if your flying is outsourced by union vs. non-union pilots, unless you think the union (or unionism, since those group are not even represented by the same union) is more important than the pilots and the jobs? Seems like that relationship is a bit upside down.

Your idea that CAL ALPA is reaching out to Republic's IBT to strategize sounds nice in the ideal union brotherhood fairy-land, but CAL and UAL (both ALPA) can't even seem to see eye-to-eye to solve their own in-house problems, and nothing along those lines of what you postulate has been indicated by CAL's or Republic's unions.

The SkyWest SAPA president HAS stated that he has reached out to CAL ALPA to establish a line of communication, FWIW.

 

Maybe your right. Maybe I just don't get it. You say you are suffering because of mistakes made by our mainline egos. So your definition of suffering is staying at a regional for a long time and flying larger and larger jets etc. But now you are saying you are suffering because we are trying to take that flying back. So you are suffering either way? Well then how can we win with you?

You are big on history. The initial RJ 50 seat giveaway wasn't done out of mainline ego at UAL. I was there, I went to the MEC meetings, and I listened to what they said. You weren't. At UAL, our MEC Chair (traitor) at the time presented us with the following: UAL is going to grown and expand. You can either expand the 777 flying, or have the 50 seat RJ's, but not both. We went for the 777's. Not because of ego, or because we felt "too good to fly it", but because the better alternative would have been to expand the 777 flying. Hindsight being 20/20, we know now we were sold a big fat lie, and UAL never ordered another 777. The Scope relaxation in 2000 was a giveaway, and a HUGE mistake. The Scope debacle of 2003 was done with a gun to the head and put in a very hard to swallow CH 11 package when the airline was 72 hours from shutting its doors. It's not about ego Joe. I'd gladly go fly a CRJ700 right now if it paid the same as the bird I'm flying. Do you think I LIKE flying the all-nighters to the east coast? It would be MUCH more fun to fly 3-4 legs a day, all daytime flying. But I fly what is the best trade-off available to me for pay/QOL. Just like you do Joe.