What to do about Contract Violation
#21
I said "almost" because there are a few that are looking forward to it, but not nearly enough to staff the domicile. They all live within driving distance of IAH, so they won't be getting denied jumpseats. The commuters will be the pilots at the very bottom of the seniority list, who were displaced against their wishes to IAH. That's who you'd be taking it out on.
#22
We want mainline jobs but over the last decade the shedding of mainline a/c has severely damaged our career goals. We are not the ones who allowed it, it was the majority at mainline. We hope and pray that you will start taking it back. I will gladly take a furlough today and the potential of an interview tomorrow to get all flying back in-house.
Good day.
#23
Think about our side for a second, if you can….. a larger majority of us will be displaced to IAH. If we take your advice and refuse to fly, it WILL result in us getting fired. Once again there is no picket line which is the only work we can refuse to fly. Now we're jobless in a poor economy and our career has once again been sent down the crapper cause of the majority of mainline pilots. You allowed it and when it blows up in your face you blame us.
Please FIX IT!!!!! Only you can.
Denying us the JS will cause some complications but CAL’s not the only operator in and out of IAH. I will not quit because mainline allowed a deterioration of my/our career(s).
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#24
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Two excellent posts which I suspect mirror the opinions of a majority of regional pilots. The real irony here is that many of the pilots at majors calling for a jumpseat war probably came from the regionals. We need to place the blame where it really belongs, ourselves and management, and not blame the pilots who are just doing a job they are contractually bound to do.
#25
just so i'm understanding this correctly. united's management is violating the contract that continental (now united) has with its pilots.
and the solution is:
punish skywest pilots.
i guess i don't see the logic there.
united pilots gave up scope. continental pilots didn't. continental is now united. maybe the continental guys don't know how united treats its employees, but here's lesson #1, right? 66 seat regional jets in houston and soon to be in newark. that's YOUR management doing it to you, it's not skywest, or republic, or anyone else.
complain to the people that made the decision. don't blame and punish the people who are stuck with the results of the decision just like you are.
and the solution is:
punish skywest pilots.
i guess i don't see the logic there.
united pilots gave up scope. continental pilots didn't. continental is now united. maybe the continental guys don't know how united treats its employees, but here's lesson #1, right? 66 seat regional jets in houston and soon to be in newark. that's YOUR management doing it to you, it's not skywest, or republic, or anyone else.
complain to the people that made the decision. don't blame and punish the people who are stuck with the results of the decision just like you are.
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just so i'm understanding this correctly. united's management is violating the contract that continental (now united) has with its pilots.
and the solution is:
punish skywest pilots.
i guess i don't see the logic there.
united pilots gave up scope. continental pilots didn't. continental is now united. maybe the continental guys don't know how united treats its employees, but here's lesson #1, right? 66 seat regional jets in houston and soon to be in newark. that's YOUR management doing it to you, it's not skywest, or republic, or anyone else.
complain to the people that made the decision. don't blame and punish the people who are stuck with the results of the decision just like you are.
and the solution is:
punish skywest pilots.
i guess i don't see the logic there.
united pilots gave up scope. continental pilots didn't. continental is now united. maybe the continental guys don't know how united treats its employees, but here's lesson #1, right? 66 seat regional jets in houston and soon to be in newark. that's YOUR management doing it to you, it's not skywest, or republic, or anyone else.
complain to the people that made the decision. don't blame and punish the people who are stuck with the results of the decision just like you are.
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Yea, go ahead and deny me the jump seat to work. Oh wait, never mind I'm already furloughed and have been replaced by 70 seat RJ's, and I never got to vote on outsourcing either. In fact I don't think the line pilots at UAL ever got the chance to actually vote on their work being outsourced.
Perhaps the IAH continental pilots are just concerned about being outsourced as well by replacement jets.
#30
maybe there's some confusion out there.
we at skywest are not getting new planes. we're not getting new flying. united airlines is shifting the express flying around. houston is a new base for united airlines post-merger and they are shifting some of our airplanes to houston. yes, they are 66 seat planes. i understand that is a problem for the former continental airlines pilot contract. but it is not new flying for us, we are not hiring a bunch of people to take over this flying.
also, there are 2 parties to the contract of which you speak: united airlines (the new united airlines, for whom all of continental airlines contracts are now binding, right?) and the united airlines pilots. skywest airlines management is not a party in that contract. skywest airlines pilots are certainly not a party in that contract. skywest in no way can be violating that contract. only 2 parties can. united airlines and united airlines pilots. obviously, united airlines is purposely violating that contract to welcome continental pilots to the company. that is how they do business. i'm sure everyone knows that.
we skywest pilots, and all regional pilots, want the new united airlines combined pilot group to enforce the scope with their company. that is good for the industry, and obviously good for your furloughed pilots. we do not want further erosion of scope any more than you do. keep up the fight.
we at skywest are not getting new planes. we're not getting new flying. united airlines is shifting the express flying around. houston is a new base for united airlines post-merger and they are shifting some of our airplanes to houston. yes, they are 66 seat planes. i understand that is a problem for the former continental airlines pilot contract. but it is not new flying for us, we are not hiring a bunch of people to take over this flying.
also, there are 2 parties to the contract of which you speak: united airlines (the new united airlines, for whom all of continental airlines contracts are now binding, right?) and the united airlines pilots. skywest airlines management is not a party in that contract. skywest airlines pilots are certainly not a party in that contract. skywest in no way can be violating that contract. only 2 parties can. united airlines and united airlines pilots. obviously, united airlines is purposely violating that contract to welcome continental pilots to the company. that is how they do business. i'm sure everyone knows that.
we skywest pilots, and all regional pilots, want the new united airlines combined pilot group to enforce the scope with their company. that is good for the industry, and obviously good for your furloughed pilots. we do not want further erosion of scope any more than you do. keep up the fight.
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