100-200 UAL furloughees to CAL
07-15-2011 | 03:09 PM
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And I suppose Eastern/Continental were the same company as well? I guess we can just call back the negotiators and skip SLI altogether while were at it because its over, were all part of the same company now, we've "recalled" our furloughees? Maybe that is how you see it, but as a double furloughee, one paragraph in a Transition Agreement does not make for integration.
They are going to hire off the street anyway when the time comes. But seriously, I'm happy if some of us are able to utilize this job opportunity. Is it better then a lump on the head, yes. However in the meantime, we need to quit selling this as something it is NOT. All it does is give the company permission to continue cannibalizing of the UAL side in favor of the CAL side. Somehow I think the AFA understands this better then we do.
KC
And I suppose Eastern/Continental were the same company as well? I guess we can just call back the negotiators and skip SLI altogether while were at it because its over, were all part of the same company now, we've "recalled" our furloughees? Maybe that is how you see it, but as a double furloughee, one paragraph in a Transition Agreement does not make for integration.
They are going to hire off the street anyway when the time comes. But seriously, I'm happy if some of us are able to utilize this job opportunity. Is it better then a lump on the head, yes. However in the meantime, we need to quit selling this as something it is NOT. All it does is give the company permission to continue cannibalizing of the UAL side in favor of the CAL side. Somehow I think the AFA understands this better then we do.
KC
I actually think it will STOP some of the cannibalization, as pilots will continue to hold recall rights at UAL. When recalled there, they will need to be retrained. This is why CAL held off as long as they possibly could (according to CAL pilots) to "recall". It would be much easier for them to just get new hires on the property.
07-15-2011 | 03:15 PM
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Question for any UA furloughee:
What year longevity were you last furloughed from? And what Year were you hired? 10th year pay 2/99 hire (volunteer)
Next Question for everyone:
Any guesses on how many callls it will take to get 200 UA pilots?
(Sr. involuntary furlough number is 6443(8/99), last on list is 7666
(3/08)) 7443 1 out of 5
My guess: 800 / or #7243 on the list (8/00)
What year longevity were you last furloughed from? And what Year were you hired? 10th year pay 2/99 hire (volunteer)
Next Question for everyone:
Any guesses on how many callls it will take to get 200 UA pilots?
(Sr. involuntary furlough number is 6443(8/99), last on list is 7666
(3/08)) 7443 1 out of 5
My guess: 800 / or #7243 on the list (8/00)
07-15-2011 | 04:44 PM
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Question for any UA furloughee:
What year longevity were you last furloughed from? And what Year were you hired?
Next Question for everyone:
Any guesses on how many callls it will take to get 200 UA pilots?
(Sr. involuntary furlough number is 6443(8/99), last on list is 7666
(3/08))
My guess: 800 / or #7243 on the list (8/00)
What year longevity were you last furloughed from? And what Year were you hired?
Next Question for everyone:
Any guesses on how many callls it will take to get 200 UA pilots?
(Sr. involuntary furlough number is 6443(8/99), last on list is 7666
(3/08))
My guess: 800 / or #7243 on the list (8/00)
07-15-2011 | 06:53 PM
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Why? Because it's $hitty out here. Many furloughees/double furloughees are living paycheck to paycheck--if they're lucky to have a job. Lots of Mr. Moms. Even $75/hr at CAL will be more than twice what some furloughees are presently making.
It's reality, folks. It sucks out here.
SCR
07-15-2011 | 08:05 PM
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Ottopilot,
Could you (or anyone) direct us potential jr reserves toward information on what our work lives would be like? I'm looking for a bulletized summary of reserve rules at CAL, not necessarily the whole contract (though any info would be helpful to start the decision process).
Thanks, dc
Could you (or anyone) direct us potential jr reserves toward information on what our work lives would be like? I'm looking for a bulletized summary of reserve rules at CAL, not necessarily the whole contract (though any info would be helpful to start the decision process).
Thanks, dc
07-15-2011 | 08:50 PM
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Question for any UA furloughee:
What year longevity were you last furloughed from? And what Year were you hired?
Next Question for everyone:
Any guesses on how many callls it will take to get 200 UA pilots?
(Sr. involuntary furlough number is 6443(8/99), last on list is 7666
(3/08))
My guess: 800 / or #7243 on the list (8/00)
What year longevity were you last furloughed from? And what Year were you hired?
Next Question for everyone:
Any guesses on how many callls it will take to get 200 UA pilots?
(Sr. involuntary furlough number is 6443(8/99), last on list is 7666
(3/08))
My guess: 800 / or #7243 on the list (8/00)
I hope it will take about 800 calls to get to the 200 UA pilots, but I doubt it. I think it will be closer to 400-500 since times are so hard. It just depends on how many were able to return to the military or get jobs vs. how many are still unemployed. As I am still unemployed, I will definitely take this job if offered, however I doubt I'll make this recall. If they hire another 200 after this, I think I'll get the call. Though I'm not holding my breath that there will be another 200 anytime soon since it is in their best interest to bring back as few UA pilots as possible.
07-16-2011 | 01:07 AM
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Ottopilot,
Could you (or anyone) direct us potential jr reserves toward information on what our work lives would be like? I'm looking for a bulletized summary of reserve rules at CAL, not necessarily the whole contract (though any info would be helpful to start the decision process).
Thanks, dc
Could you (or anyone) direct us potential jr reserves toward information on what our work lives would be like? I'm looking for a bulletized summary of reserve rules at CAL, not necessarily the whole contract (though any info would be helpful to start the decision process).
Thanks, dc
Bottom line is reserve sucks especially in the summer. Being a junior line holder isn't a huge leap in QOL, but it helps.
-A reserve 9 hour callout
-B reserve 2 hour callout
-12 Days off min
-You're screwed
-76 hr Guarantee
-Movable and Immovable days off.
-Scheduling can roll your movable days off.
-Aggressive pickup windows for A is before B (can't remember details on exact time 11a (A) 12p (B) I think) Self assign trips if you feel inclined...You will still be responsible for your call time though...crappy
-Scheduling assigns open time by 3pm for the next day.
-You're screwed
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