Gator, You are spot on with much of what you have stated. I appreciate your comments on not blaming CAL pilots, however that's been the exception on this forum. I would gladly forego my earned PS in a show of unity and leverage, if I thought ( we all would do the same). From what I read, that was suggested and no takers at the union leadership level. I dont believe the vast majority of CAL pilots are going to push to remove PIerce or " join us" just because UA folks are upset and calling for his head. Its not a matter of weakness, understanding or lack of desire for unity. I believe it has to do with we determine our elected reps and even removal, not another entity. A few months, UA attempted to recall Morse, and suspect, if it had occurred, many would have cried a "conspiracy" to divide UA, pit pilot groups and delay the JCBA. We had the same on our side as well. Both of our unions have been and are dysfunctional and have our idiots(5%) and it and they are alive and well, so to hear the constant bashing from my third cousin, whom I use to fight, just a few years ago..is useless noise. It ultimately divides more than unify. The company name is UNited, but we will not be one group, joined together until we can respect each group as a whole, both now and when we are one UNION, barrage jam the 5% that only seek to divide and have outlived their usefulness to the New United and demand accountability in your LC and MEC for their actions or lack thereof....if we look to clean our own house first, we may have a chance going forward

Finally, hope both pilot groups can see through the smoke screen of this PS issue and the silence of some elected reps....much of this issue has to do with posturing for power, control and direction of the future 12K United pilot group. Believe me, their are folks both CAL and UA strategizing on their next position...

 

The uCAL pilot act as if nothing happened. Do they really think the UAL MEC will let this slide. Pierce has shown his loyalty and it's not to the CAL or UAL pilots. Pierce should do the right thing for both groups and resign.

 

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If you are here trolling, I think you have found the wrong board. Is "yawn ten" a code you guys use these days? You need help son and I don't have time or the desire.

 

Slammer,

I suspect that very few (the 2%r's) blame the CAL pilots. I've been very clear to everyone (including my ALPA reps, Lee Moak, and MC Pierce) that I place the blame squarely on MC Pierce and the CAL MEC. I've had quite a few opportunities to interact with CAL pilots and they have all been great. Especially on a NYC layover around Christmas

There is a fine line we need to walk. We should not allow the pilot groups to splinter or become combative because of leadership failures. The bottom line is that the pilot groups have CONTROL of our leaders! We need to ask them pointed questions and demand that they act in OUR best interest. How we get there is beyond me. Let's give the MC and MEC's time to decide on the direction that they want to lead. Then they need to communicate that clearly to the membership.

Right now we feel like our 4ship is committing downrange against a gorilla package and we're not sure of the 4ship on right will execute the bracket as briefed. In the last engagement they skated early, RTB'd and drank all the beer in the bar.

Fox 3

 

No, I only wanted to put "yawn" but the computer told me it required "ten characters."

 

First one to the white board wins, Right??

 

Yep He who controls the chalk (or multi-colored markers) wins!

 

ROFLMAO. Brilliant!

 

I guess when you leave out 80% of the facts it could look dumb. When you don't consider that Pierce agreed to each and every proposal, that they agreed to work as a team and back each other up, yes, that might look dumb.

When you add in the truth and facts, then what it looks like is what it is. Wendy Morse was, if anything, naive (as WERE the United MEC and pilots) for assuming that Jay Pierce was a man of his word, a unionist, and could be relied upon to not step over their backs for a few pieces of silver. They assumed that Pierce would not exhibit scab-like behavior.

Now what we have is the average CAL pilot getting maybe $3,000 to $5,000, a one time buy off which was a bargain for the company in terms of causing this kind of divisiveness. Pierce went right for the bait.

There is ONLY one way to win this game. CALMEC and UALMEC must stand together and demonstrate in action all of the pretty things Pierce has said they would. He has demonstrated that he is incapable. I could not fault the UALMEC if they wanted to have nothing to do with him from here on out.