Interesting Perspective on PS/TPA Negotiation
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FROM THE CAL MEC CHAIRMAN
01-06-12(Friday)
I want to start by thanking the hundreds of pilots who have taken the time to call, email or text me with their favorable comments regarding our success in achieving profit sharing for the Continental pilots for FY2011. It is good to end the year on a positive note for the CAL pilots. My only regret is that we were unable to reach agreement on the terms of a Transition and Process Agreement (TPA) extension before the end of the year as well. How we ended the year without that being accomplished is one of the things I want to address in this blastmail. Another is our relationship with the UAL pilots.
01-06-12(Friday)
I want to start by thanking the hundreds of pilots who have taken the time to call, email or text me with their favorable comments regarding our success in achieving profit sharing for the Continental pilots for FY2011. It is good to end the year on a positive note for the CAL pilots. My only regret is that we were unable to reach agreement on the terms of a Transition and Process Agreement (TPA) extension before the end of the year as well. How we ended the year without that being accomplished is one of the things I want to address in this blastmail. Another is our relationship with the UAL pilots.
Pierce has displayed SCAB-like behavior in stepping over the backs of the unity between the CAL & UAL pilots to claim the prize. For those who preach unity, there can be none as long as any leadership displays this behavior. That is the entire point here. The UAL pilots are not upset with their brothers and sisters gaining PS. They are upset that we did not work as a team to get it, even if it meant forgoing it for a short time. The UAL pilots would most certainly sacrifice for the benefit of the whole - we've done it before and we'll do it again.
The question at hand is will the CAL pilots join us? And if so, will you take necessary actions to rid yourselves and all of us of leadership that doesn't know how to play by these union rules?
Management loves this stuff, yes. But there would be nothing for them to love if it were not for an individual such as Pierce. A leader who understood that the collective good far outweighs temporary gains will do more for unity, more for the profession, and more for himself in terms of legacy than a self-serving short gain thinker. Managements think short term. Pierce thinks short term.
Are we more sophisticated than that?
#53
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From: guppy CA
The UAL pilots would most certainly sacrifice for the benefit of the whole - we've done it before and we'll do it again.
The question at hand is will the CAL pilots join us? And if so, will you take necessary actions to rid yourselves and all of us of leadership that doesn't know how to play by these union rules?
The question at hand is will the CAL pilots join us? And if so, will you take necessary actions to rid yourselves and all of us of leadership that doesn't know how to play by these union rules?
#54
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From: erb
Hey Tarheel...you made reference to scabs on the property and I was just curious how many are actually still around (no flame, just curious). As an outsider looking in, sure wish yall could get along better...some of the things written here are as bad as, dare I say, the USair chat room. Got friends on Both sides so w/ respect...I wish you well. Cheers
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Sacrifice for the benefit of the whole? I've got an idea. How about all LUAL and LCAL pilots put their entire PS into one big pot. Then divide that pot of money among all of the pilots currently on involuntary furlough. That'd show unity up and down the entire seniority list.
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From: 737 Cap
I'm most surprised that very few are acknowledging the fact that the company paid 80:1 on a possible, maybe, "if we litigate poorly" judgment. What exactly did JP sell? What inside agreement did he make? Why would a company that fights every single grievance tooth and nail give so freely when there really is very little to gain other than discord between the two pilot groups <hint>? Who is JP's master? The uCAL pilots? Really? Just throwing questions out there that many seem to be willing to overlook. What exactly did the company buy when they agreed to pay 40 million on a 500K potential tab?
Don't know the answer to that, and unfortunately, neither do any of you. Guessing that JP will never fly the line again. Won't need to.
Scott
Don't know the answer to that, and unfortunately, neither do any of you. Guessing that JP will never fly the line again. Won't need to.
Scott
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I'm most surprised that very few are acknowledging the fact that the company paid 80:1 on a possible, maybe, "if we litigate poorly" judgment. What exactly did JP sell? What inside agreement did he make? Why would a company that fights every single grievance tooth and nail give so freely when there really is very little to gain other than discord between the two pilot groups <hint>? Who is JP's master? The uCAL pilots? Really? Just throwing questions out there that many seem to be willing to overlook. What exactly did the company buy when they agreed to pay 40 million on a 500K potential tab?
Don't know the answer to that, and unfortunately, neither do any of you. Guessing that JP will never fly the line again. Won't need to.
Scott
Don't know the answer to that, and unfortunately, neither do any of you. Guessing that JP will never fly the line again. Won't need to.
Scott
Exactly. Besides the "back door" issue.....it really smells.........
Just what did you promise Smisek in return Jay?
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I'm most surprised that very few are acknowledging the fact that the company paid 80:1 on a possible, maybe, "if we litigate poorly" judgment. What exactly did JP sell? What inside agreement did he make? Why would a company that fights every single grievance tooth and nail give so freely when there really is very little to gain other than discord between the two pilot groups <hint>? Who is JP's master? The uCAL pilots? Really? Just throwing questions out there that many seem to be willing to overlook. What exactly did the company buy when they agreed to pay 40 million on a 500K potential tab?
Don't know the answer to that, and unfortunately, neither do any of you. Guessing that JP will never fly the line again. Won't need to.
Scott
Don't know the answer to that, and unfortunately, neither do any of you. Guessing that JP will never fly the line again. Won't need to.
Scott
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