2012 Fleet Plan
02-10-2012, 10:35 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by jsled
yea, so what? Are you happy making below average pay at the word's largest airline?? Happy that UAL can spend 500M on aircraft interiors but can't make progress on a JCBA?? Especially you CAL guys. You voluntarily took concessions with no bankruptcy 1113 process. Doesn't that make you feel like a mark?? A sucker?? What's it been now?? 3 years since that concessionary contract became amendable. It's been 2 for us. As UAL drags out this JCBA longer and longer, getting every penny it can, my 2 favorite phrases are fuel burn and sick leave. Am I angry?? You bet.
Sled
PS. I don't know about CAL, but at UAL, sl pays a full 5hrs per day for rsv and trip value for line holders. VERY lucrative.
Sled
PS. I don't know about CAL, but at UAL, sl pays a full 5hrs per day for rsv and trip value for line holders. VERY lucrative.
After seeing the ****** sandwich that you guys have when it comes to the scope that was given up by your pilot group so you could "right-size and prepare for the CAL merger"
I am glad it was done voluntarily here. Who knows what the result would have been had we gone down that road. You gave up pay and scope and CAL pilots gave up work rules and some pay but kept scope. To be honest, I'm not sure either group has bragging rights to the contracts they are working under.
02-10-2012, 10:40 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by FACSofLife
Carrot meet stick. Typical announcement during contract negotiations. I'm not saying it will not happen, but management is doing their job and I don't believe a word they say. **** UAL.
02-10-2012, 10:54 AM
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OK, so current plan is mainline shrinkage of 5 net aircraft. .7% mainline fleet shrinkage.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage.
It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend.
UCH is not the only airline that's been shrinking; Delta has also shrunk. And of course AMR has been and will continue to shrink. So it isn't only UCH that's shrinking.
At the same time, RPMs (revenue passenger miles) have been declining. This is simply airlines shrinking to match declining air passenger demand.
While the airlines shrinking is not good for pilot advancement to larger equipment/pilot hiring, it's helping keep the airlines (other than AMR) profitable. It's good to see a bit of sanity in airline planning rather than the traditional feast/famine cycles of the last few decades.
I don't believe the rumors of new aircraft orders other than as replacements for aircraft that are on the block to be retired. LUAL's A319/320 fleet's getting pretty long in the tooth; I could believe that there's a replacement order in store for them. But additional lift? I wouldn't expect to see that until we see an increase in RPMs - and that additional lift would likely initially take the form of delaying retirement of airframes while accepting delivery of replacement airframes rather than a large new order.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage.
It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend.
UCH is not the only airline that's been shrinking; Delta has also shrunk. And of course AMR has been and will continue to shrink. So it isn't only UCH that's shrinking.
At the same time, RPMs (revenue passenger miles) have been declining. This is simply airlines shrinking to match declining air passenger demand.
While the airlines shrinking is not good for pilot advancement to larger equipment/pilot hiring, it's helping keep the airlines (other than AMR) profitable. It's good to see a bit of sanity in airline planning rather than the traditional feast/famine cycles of the last few decades.
I don't believe the rumors of new aircraft orders other than as replacements for aircraft that are on the block to be retired. LUAL's A319/320 fleet's getting pretty long in the tooth; I could believe that there's a replacement order in store for them. But additional lift? I wouldn't expect to see that until we see an increase in RPMs - and that additional lift would likely initially take the form of delaying retirement of airframes while accepting delivery of replacement airframes rather than a large new order.
02-10-2012, 12:31 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by Andy
OK, so current plan is mainline shrinkage of 5 net aircraft. .7% mainline fleet shrinkage.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage.
It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage.
It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend.
02-10-2012, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
You guys are just too much. Everything is a crisis, plot, hidden meaning, or conspiracy. Everyone else is clueless, incompetent, evil, or management types. Collectively you people have got to be the most miserable lot I have ever encountered.
02-10-2012, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
OK, so current plan is mainline shrinkage of 5 net aircraft. .7% mainline fleet shrinkage.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage.
It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend.
UCH is not the only airline that's been shrinking; Delta has also shrunk. And of course AMR has been and will continue to shrink. So it isn't only UCH that's shrinking.
At the same time, RPMs (revenue passenger miles) have been declining. This is simply airlines shrinking to match declining air passenger demand.
While the airlines shrinking is not good for pilot advancement to larger equipment/pilot hiring, it's helping keep the airlines (other than AMR) profitKable. It's good to see a bit of sanity in airline planning rather than the traditional feast/famine cycles of the last few decades.
I don't believe the rumors of new aircraft orders other than as replacements for aircraft that are on the block to be retired. LUAL's A319/320 fleet's getting pretty long in the tooth; I could believe that there's a replacement order in store for them. But additional lift? I wouldn't expect to see that until we see an increase in RPMs - and that additional lift would likely initially take the form of delaying retirement of airframes while accepting delivery of replacement airframes rather than a large new order.
Current plan also includes regional partner shrinkage of 11 net aircraft. 555 to 544 or 2% regional fleet shrinkage.
It's nice to see regional flying shrink more than mainline flying; let's hope it's a trend.
UCH is not the only airline that's been shrinking; Delta has also shrunk. And of course AMR has been and will continue to shrink. So it isn't only UCH that's shrinking.
At the same time, RPMs (revenue passenger miles) have been declining. This is simply airlines shrinking to match declining air passenger demand.
While the airlines shrinking is not good for pilot advancement to larger equipment/pilot hiring, it's helping keep the airlines (other than AMR) profitKable. It's good to see a bit of sanity in airline planning rather than the traditional feast/famine cycles of the last few decades.
I don't believe the rumors of new aircraft orders other than as replacements for aircraft that are on the block to be retired. LUAL's A319/320 fleet's getting pretty long in the tooth; I could believe that there's a replacement order in store for them. But additional lift? I wouldn't expect to see that until we see an increase in RPMs - and that additional lift would likely initially take the form of delaying retirement of airframes while accepting delivery of replacement airframes rather than a large new order.
02-10-2012, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Slammer
Actually the passenger revenue seat miles increased have increased. See latest report from company for 2011 and Jan 2012. UA and Delta have and are buying up capacity...and price hikes are ticking for now..
For January 2012, the consolidated RPMs were 15,337,250. For January 2011, the consolidated RPMs were 15,836,192. Mainline RPMs declined in Jan but regional RPMs showed a slight increase. Link: United Continental Holdings, Inc. - Investor Relations - News=
I'd break out the Delta numbers but you can see that they show the same thing. Delta Air Lines Announces $379 Million Quarterly Profit and $1.2 Billion Annual Profit, Excluding Special Items - Jan 25, 2012
Delta Reports January Operational and Financial Performance - Feb 6, 2012
Edit: OK, I think you were looking at Passenger Revenue Per Available Seat Mile (PRASM). That's not a reflection of the number of passenger miles flown. RPMs, on the other hand, measure airline passenger traffic. My comments referred to matching flight availability to passenger demand so RPM is the correct measurement.
Last edited by Andy; 02-10-2012 at 05:26 PM.
02-10-2012, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
LOL, I see the kid has been excused from the dinner table.
Last edited by UASnake; 02-10-2012 at 06:47 PM.
02-10-2012, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin
You guys are just too much. Everything is a crisis, plot, hidden meaning, or conspiracy. Everyone else is clueless, incompetent, evil, or management types. Collectively you people have got to be the most miserable lot I have ever encountered.
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