SCAB's cross picket lines. How that post even "scab like"? Furloughed pilots, in the past, have been stapled and not given longevity. I don't know Karl, but don't take it personal when facts or norms are discussed. It sucks to be furloughed, but no one is kicking you while your down. I hope the best for all the 1437. We all (furloughed or not) deserve better than what we have.

 

As has been posted, none of us know what an arbitrator will decide. That being said, the fact that you are currently furloughed or were furloughed at some point in your career has little to do with your long term career expectations. There are United furloughees that be it not for the merger, would have been number one on the seniority list when they retired, that didn't change because they happened to be furloughed for a period of time. The right of recall is contractually negotiated and your relative position on the list doesn't change when you return, although you might move up if some ahead of you resign. A United pilot hired in 1999 or 2000 would have approximately 1700 Continental pilots that were hired after them. If you took away credit for the years on furlough during the SLI, almost all of those Continental pilots would still be behind them because Continental didn't do the bulk of their hiring until the mid 2000's. ALPA policy doesn't dictate how to weigh each of the criteria, that will be up to the arbitrtator. As for the viability of United without Continental, Jeff Smisek is on record as saying that Continental would have gone away without the merger.

 

Personally I think we both would have been just fine without this messy merger but its all conjecture. Apples and oranges from this point on anyway's as we'll never know what truly would have occurred without tying the knot.

As Snake sagely pointed out, SLI is in the hands of our Merger Committee's and shortly after that, the ALPA arbitration process. All the chest-thumping in the world won't change that no matter how hard everyone on here tries.

Sit back, let the process work and relax.

 

Jeff Smisek has also gone on record saying that the cheaper CAL coffee, fresh brew, taste better then the more expensive Starbucks that was on the UAL side. What's your point? Rationalization will always occur after a decision has been made. Especially when the decision is questioned by many, who have not gained or even lost something from the decision, while the decision maker stands to gain a lot.

The decision to merge was made by Smisek, and he has made and will continue to make lots of more money because of it. Investors have made nothing, employees have made nothing and I'm not sure if the customers have made any gains out of this. Same with the coffee, investors/employees/customers nothing, but now that they are spending less on coffee the bonus pool will be bigger. But Jeff thinks the coffee taste better.

 

Off the record, Jeff admitted he prefers tea........

 

He's also on record as saying it is a merger of equals. So, I guess we were both headed toward liquidation. It never ends does it?
Everyone should read the Arbitrators decision on the Delta/NWA SLI. You can see where both sides had pleaded their case with some of the very same arguments here......and you see how it turned out. Relax...focus on something that you can control.

 

Now Coto I usually find your posts factual, with that said: Are you saying furloughed pilots are entitled to a DOH integration on the SLI?

Two words keep getting interchanged here: Longevity as opposed to Length of Service, longevity is NOT length of service. While longevity sounds all well and good, 10 yr longevity with a hire date of 2002 most certainly does not mean a furloughed pilot has 10 years on property for "length of service"

For the record, I am not opposed to longevity for the purposes of pay. However, to say that a furloughed pilot with 3 yrs length of service deserves a longevity position on the SLI in front of other pilots who have more than 3 yrs length of service is absurd. I respect your right to fight for the LUAL pilots but the path your heading down is ala USAIR with the longevity/DOH argument.

"As for the viability of United without Continental, Jeff Smisek is on record as saying that Continental would have gone away without the merger."

Something tells me I could find the exact same quote by Tilton a few short years ago. We need to get past this "my watch is bigger than yours" garbage.

 

Now THAT's lower than low! How DARE you go and throw historical facts and documentation into a purely subjective and hysterical forum like this...

That's the real bytch about facts...they're so much more difficult to quell than forum drivel-fest rants spewed by a bunch of girls with their panties in a wad...

Cheers,
Horhay

 

Copy - furloughs are temporary, wanker-dom is yours for a lifetime.

A little "basic 101 stuff" back at ya' there tough guy...what a tool.

 

So how do you feel about having to carry that title your entire life? I'm not a tough guy either............I just don't have a "fantasy world" that I live in, unlike you, I see the reality of how things work. Maybe, just maybe, YOU are the tool. Back at ya........ I see your position is "unqualified"..........big surprise there too. Furthermore..........I've seen those "temporary" furloughs turn into lifetime ones.................... How's that grab you?