No one knows how much new flying there may or may not be. CAL already does lots of flying from all those airports. Some CAL flying and some UAL flying. LAX is NOT a senior CAL base. UAL is not seeing the Airbus in other CAL hubs for good reasons. CLE: who cares, it's not going to last. EWR: don't need narrowbodies there, just wide. CAL pilots are NYC based anyway. Does UAL have a NYC Airbus base? That would cover EWR flying. Houston should be a big Airbus base.

We are correct in not blaming any pilot or the union. This is a merger, this is what happens. They need to shift airframes around in the best way for the market. It's going to suck for many and benefit a few. I too have been going backwards for years. I want the left seat back. 30% of the EWR flying was shifted to IAH for spite. The flying we have left has been getting worse every month. The lines are being built to 85 hours in the 737 and the destinations are always ORD and DEN.

Just remember, all we can do is vote yes or no on a contract. The rest is not up to us. I expect a contract this year. The company will need it, so they will start negotiating.

 

The company will not want or need a JCBA if we allow them to do what they want with our flying/bases. You better start writing and calling your LEC reps now. They don't need your permission to do this, just your silence!

When are you going to see J.P. for what he is? He's playing you!

 

Interesting to see you guys have the same junk going on we do. SFO and LAX have been totally decimated over the past few years, both in total pilots on domicile and in the crud flying we have. I've heard rumors of it being done out of spite as well.

We have an A320 base in JFK already, and they cover IAH, so they will just ramp that up I'm sure.

Just remember, all we can do is vote yes or no on a contract. The rest is not up to us. I expect a contract this year. The company will need it, so they will start negotiating

 

Not currently in the left seat of the 737. In SFO, I doubt there are enough in either seat.

Some are, but many aren't. Depends on where you live. Denver commuters tend to be very senior and I don't know how many would bid the 737 just to avoid commuting.

Yes, but that's driven as much by size as location.

Actually, an important part of the TPA extension is the mitigation of hardship on pilots involuntarily displaced out of EWR and IAH. The union has a better idea than I do, but I'd bet money some guys on the 737 in IAH and possibly EWR will be moving backwards regarding their relative seniority in BES. It's not just about how many pilots commute, but also what seat they're currently in. I'd bet most current DEN commuters are 756 or 777 captains who might not bid the 737, most out of ORD are currently FOs, and hardly anybody commutes from SFO. That doesn't help out non-commuting 737 captains like myself.

I truly appreciate the sentiment, but no need to feel sorry for me. I've never been furloughed or even displaced and I'm a lineholding captain despite the fact I've got less than 15 years at the company. My ride has been better than most and I know it. However, I live in a high cost area with what I would consider to be lousy weather, across the country from any immediate family for one reason... so I don't have to commute. As I said before, the last time the company did this in 2008, they cut 737 staffing in EWR by 60% and the QOL of pilots on the 737 suffered predictably. Maybe I'm wrong and we won't know until they actually staff the bases, but I think there's a good chance many of us will be adversely affected by this. The notion that this is something universally good for CAL pilots is a sentiment most of us probably don't agree with.

 

Besides the two letters from the two Jays. Does anyone have all the details of the extension besides ALPA getting $3 million reimbursed?

 

The deal with the "tent" was that they could NOT share the information they saw with the MEC.

However, one of the "tent" members was a sitting member of the MEC! Talk about a conflict of positions.

 

Maybe they were just resizing Ewr for the merger. Seems to be a popular theory.

 

With the amended TPA, I think EWR will see a pull down of 737 flying as those planes move to DEN,ORD,LAX. In exchange EWR will see a massive move of 70 seat RJ's/UAL JFK 320's to replace them. Wouldn't be surprised to see most of the 320 from IAD,ORD go to IAH.
Bad thing will be "no paid moves" because of another side deal to get around pilots ratifcation from our MEC's. These guys are getting as bad as management.

 

We ought to know soon, but what I got from manpower, CPO and the EWR rep, that most of the flying will come out of IAH..we'll see and as always believe it when you see it. 70 seaters are a SCOPE issue as well as slots in EWR, so don't see that at all..

 

They may use the United scope. I think the UAL base is JFK/LGA/EWR and with the United side picking up Europe and SA out of EWR, 70 seaters are a possibility. No more slots needed, just maintain current route and slot with an RJ and decrease capacity.