So lets say they offer all furloughed folks slots and they have to hire off the street - what kind of recall rights do furloughed guys have? I seem to recall hearing about 10 year recall rights but not sure when the 10 years is counted from. I'm sure this has been discussed before but now it may be a reality.

Thankfully Age 65 is here, or at least this is showing the beginning of it.

As for the additional 737s that necessitate the vacancies, how long ago were they ordered? Were they ordered before the merger was announced?

All of our 737s were ordered or optioned before the merger was announced. There have been no new orders announced since the merger. I could not tell you how many options were converted since then, but to be honest I believe that at some point we also changed the delivery schedule to push back a few to later years and converted some orders to different 737 variants. I know they are also trying to accelerate the retirement of the -500s since they are gas guzzlers in favor of the NGs as they come online.

You are right regarding Age 65. Finally acknowledged in the bid text w/ 41 retirements. The next bid will see that number shoot up quite a bit if it is published in the normal July/August time frame.

Thanks. I was just curious how this was going to go for the SLI, but it sounds like it was CAL's plan to have all this growth long before the merger was announced.

LCAL bids don't include training dates.

Airplanes not on property on the date of merger announcement dont count in favor just like planes that have not been parked yet don't count against.

Any guesses on how junior 737 Ca will go, lol?

Any guesses on how many actual "new hires" this will create?

PBSG, you're mixing the fruits up into one basket. Recall rights only apply to being furloughed from, and recall to sUAL (legacy UAL), and has nothing to do with the sCAL side. The sCAL deal is a preferential job offer much like the deal furloughees have with regionals such as Skywest. The word "bypass" as used in the case of sCAL, describes a furloughee declining a job offer on the sCAL side. That furloughee must then wait 30 days after bypassing before resubmitting an interest in any future job opportunity (sUAL furloughee must initiate this request by contacting sCAL about their change of heart). They will then be placed in the next available training class ahead of any off the street hires. Note: They can only do this one time after their initial bypass, after which they lose that right to preferential hiring at sCAL.

Regarding "recall rights," or the right to be called back to sUAL, that extends 10 years from the date of furlough from sUAL.

Hope the mud filtered out...

I would guess late 99 hires? ;) Probably gonna be some mad dashes to the left seat.........