A few simple questions for you UAL SUX:

1) Are you currently flying for someone?

2) IF you are, why don't you simply stop coming to work?

That's in essence what you are asking LCA to stop doing their job. They can just as soon stop giving line checks and training as you can stop showing up for your pairings. You want THEM to put THEIR collective jobs on the line? Does it state somewhere in the UAL contract that in the event of a furlough that LCAs don't have to conduct training anymore? If it doesn't, then what you are suggesting would be illegal job action and could get people in big trouble if suggested by someone with a leadership position.

Add in the fact that if one or two LCA decided to quit, 1 or 2 more would just step up and fill those positions. You're living in a fantasy world.

Actually its not a fantasy world, this has happened in the real world in the past. I had an opportunity to witness it. You see, being an LCA is something you volunteer to do. Each individual who is an LCA is one because they want to, and not because they have to. If that individual decides they don't want to be an LCA, they still get to come to work and be an airline pilot. During the summer of 2000 a large number of LCA's at UA made an individual personal decision that they no longer wanted to be LCA's. And someone was not right behind them to fill their shoes, because nobody really wanted to do anything special for the company, since the company didnt want to do anything for us. Nothing illegal about changing your mind. Only organized job actions are illegal. But you are right, in this case someone else will just step up and do it. CAL pilots don't have the same culture when it comes to not helping the company out. Someone is always willing to help here. It aint wrong, just different.

You don't understand how the LCA job at United works.

See iadfo's post above.

IMO during Section 6 it is .........

Hopefully we have that kind of unity on the UAL side currently but I think I may already know the answer to that one. :(

I know, I was being Kind.

OK...ya got me! :) I'm having a tough time relaxing after 10+ years on a bankruptcy contract.

Sure, perhaps if each individual pilot decided on their own as a LCA they no longer wanted the job, they could quit their LCA duties, but the union organizing such a thing would be illegal. I think you agree here.

If what you say happened back in 2000 is true, that's news to me. However since then, your union has received an injunction which has in essence cut themselves off at the knees. We're playing the game with both hands tied behind our backs.

Has UAL guys stopped picking up open time? No.

I know for sure that hasn't happened at CAL (It's considered a "right" here at CAL) and will never happen here without a huge change in culture. We basically need a clause in our contract like UPS that allows a union to ban open time during a furlough. We don't have that now. Have you talked to your reps to make sure that's in the new contract?

You dont get it, this was not an organized effort by the union. LCA's decided on their own cognisance without persuasion by a union to do this. Yes there are those that pick up time, they are ostracized by other pilots. The line has been drawn in the past when they were harassed for picking up open time. That is not the norm among pilots. Even while the airline is properly staffed and the pilots are under injunction, crew cancellations are not uncommon. Individual pilots just know to do the right thing without being told. Captain "marvin mainliner" just wont get a handshake when he flies with his next FO. When he gets to the hotel he can look forward to a slam click. That's the culture that grew from a pilot group that survived a strike, compared to what is normal at CAL.

hey!!........ ;)

That's two of us..............my take is a few B756/B777 pilots will downgrade to jump at this so they don't have to commute. We'll see!