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Slammer 03-01-2012 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by Once United (Post 1143956)
Right sizing - not really just moving the pieces around for the company. All this will do is cause a few new bids for the 737 Capt at DEN and Ord, but most of the bids will be filled by lateral movement. Since no backfiling for the loses at IAH and EWR it is a wash.

Expect to see a 320 base in IAH and increase 320 flying out of EWR at about the same time, Sept 2012. Both of these will be 320 flying out of ORD and maybe some out of the West Coast(SFO/LAX). Again block hour ratio will remain the same no windfall. Could see 320 pilots moving into widebody slots(747/777) they can hold with an open bid.

Do you know the second para from an announced bid or something?

Once United 03-01-2012 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Slammer (Post 1144263)
Do you know the second para from an announced bid or something?

What part do you question? I think most has been discussed/posted on this forum before. I'll try to find the reference(it's here). The part of the WB bidding is conjecture. UAL bids closer to training date than CAL. I think all this is supposed to happen in Sept of this year.

A320 03-01-2012 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 1144254)
You can have all the ORD flying you want.....;)

Chicago isn't what I want however I'll take a Chicago winter before a Houston summer any day.

Regarding bids I suspect the SCal bids in DEN will go very senior while the SUAL bids in IAH will go relatively junior. I think the TDY A320 IAH flying will go senior.

Once United 03-01-2012 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1144302)
Chicago isn't what I want however I'll take a Chicago winter before a Houston summer any day.

Regarding bids I suspect the SCal bids in DEN will go very senior while the SUAL bids in IAH will go relatively junior. I think the TDY A320 IAH flying will go senior.

It would be better if nobody(CAL/UAL) took any of these bids and let the company pay to move/house people for a TDY operation. Greed probably won't allow that. We should do what the MEC wouldn't do. Make the company give us a JCBA through our actions.

Zoomie 03-01-2012 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1144302)
Chicago isn't what I want however I'll take a Chicago winter before a Houston summer any day.

Regarding bids I suspect the SCal bids in DEN will go very senior while the SUAL bids in IAH will go relatively junior. I think the TDY A320 IAH flying will go senior.

Not me. No thanks on the Chicago winter.

I think you're wrong about IAH going junior, but we'll see. There are a lot of guys I'm guessing at UA that live in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin tht I'm sure will love to bid closer to home.

Zoomie 03-01-2012 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by Once United (Post 1144306)
It would be better if nobody(CAL/UAL) took any of these bids and let the company pay to move/house people for a TDY operation. Greed probably won't allow that. We should do what the MEC wouldn't do. Make the company give us a JCBA through our actions.

We both know there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. Just look at all the open time still being picked up at both companies.

However, picking a base has nothing to do with greed. If someone can stop commuting or move closer to home with the addition of these doniciles, that is good. That's one of our goals in a JCBA right, to increase our collective QOL.

Once United 03-02-2012 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 1144340)
We both know there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. Just look at all the open time still being picked up at both companies.

However, picking a base has nothing to do with greed. If someone can stop commuting or move closer to home with the addition of these doniciles, that is good. That's one of our goals in a JCBA right, to increase our collective QOL.

We may be getting carrots right now, but without a JCBA, QOL will be determined by the company and the stick they'll hit us with. All side deals have to stop. It's been almost 2 years now and no real progress on a JCBA. What do you think, is that Ok?

A320 03-02-2012 05:42 AM

The LCAs should stop VOLUNTEERING to do IOE work until the JCBA is reached. The doesn't violate the court order or the RLA for that matter. This place will grind to a halt

CleCapt 03-02-2012 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Once United (Post 1144396)
We may be getting carats right now, but without a JCBA, QOL will be determined by the company and the stick they'll hit us with. All side deals have to stop. It's been almost 2 years now and no real progress on a JCBA. What do you think, is that Ok?

Maybe that's the problem.

UAL pilots are still getting Carats ( a unit of weight in gemstones )

and Cal Pilots are getting Carrots (the nutritious, orange to yellow root of this plant, eaten raw or cooked or something hoped for or promised as a lure or incentive )

EWRflyr 03-02-2012 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by jumppilot (Post 1143744)
Thanks. I was just curious how this was going to go for the SLI, but it sounds like it was CAL's plan to have all this growth long before the merger was announced.

Not so much growth as aircraft replacements. Management has been clear that most of these new 737s are being used to replace the -500s. The net change in total 737s is certainly nothing drastic if any.


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