Ringel, your a putz.

 

At WonHungLo or whatever, I placed a STUPIDER curse on you but it was kicked back as impossible.

 

+10 lol I think you have nailed it!

 

"You're" as in you are. The almighty apostrophe is pretty important. Or, "Your" as in, "Dude!, I just saw your putz!"

 

What if we require all union reps accepting flight pay loss (or some other such qualifier) to sign a legally binding agreement that they will not accept any management position for a period (5 years, life of the contract ...?)
after leaving said union position ?

If you're not willing to sign it, probably not someone we want to trust

 

I think the CAL brain trust is having a melt-down. I'm thinking Dexim or Catan should join WonHungLo and light them up.

 

The terms of the current concessionary contract have got worse under current CAL leadership. By default, the contract must accommodate an onerous PBS that undermines pilot seniority. The PBS is widely despised by the majority of CAL pilots. Despite hundreds if not thousands of complaints, the founder of CAL PBS has twice been promoted. First replacing PBS Chairman who was fired for FLP abuse and to his current position as Chairman of the Negotiating Committee. This junior pilot has never negotiated a contract in his life and has been fumbling for the past several years. He does not have to use his own PBS because when he does decide to fly, he "cherry picks" his trips.

2. Only a simpleton thinks labor compensation negotiations are "relatively simple." Even if we use your simpleton excuse, that does not explain away negotiating for more compensation. Pay issues are so complex that millions of dollars are spent on consultants, accountants, finance experts, etc. On many occasions these things are decided by an arbitrator who has to use complex formula, legal precedent and a heavy dose of common sense. Only a fool thinks compensation negotiations are "simple."

3. First of all, CAL ALPA Rules & By-Laws give their MEC absolute authority to do basically anything they want to do without a vote. Some wrongly think that a poll or a survey about these things is a standing vote. They are not. Regardless, Jay Pierce has never asked for pilot help, opinion or a vote on anything that he has tried to force through the MEC. Pierce doesn't care what the pilots think or want. In any case, your statement assumes that the majority of 4,800 pilots will agree with Pierce and settle for whatever bone the company throws. Suppose Pierce does give our pilots a vote and they say "No." Then what? How many more months or years do they negotiate? Therefore, my statement stands that Pierce has no right predicting the contract will settled sometime this year. He has no idea. If he does know then he already knows the outcome which means he will be forcing our pilots into something they probably do not want.

I have a classic education which means that I know logic, I know how to use logic and therefore am able to think in a rational manner. Your ill-logic and wild reckless statements are easily refuted.

See if you can figure out this simple logical analogy. "There is a black spot on the tip of chicken-****. No matter how you try to explain away that black spot, it's still chicken ****." Comprende? Do you get the point?

 

Great Post. CAL ALPA does have similar unbiding agreement. Unfortunately, the lure for that highly coveted management job keeps any of them from signing an agreement. I would like to emphasize, that I want our hononorable hard working union officials to be properly compensated and taken care of. I just don't want them making a career of these things and purposely dragging out the negotiation process for their benefit.

 

Sir, I see things are too complicated and sophisticated for you. When you stop puffing on Mary Jane and come to grips with reality, you will understand that if you are an airline pilot, your career is in the gutter. Guys like Jay Pierce don't even know you are alive. They look at you but don't see you. If you knew your aviation history, you would understand that the once proud Continental Airline pilots were compensated more adequately and justly 30 to 40 years ago than they are today. Not too long ago, UAL pilots were earning about $400,000 per year with all of their benefits paid and about a $3M to $4M retirement package. Today those things are long gone. Your career is crap and it's only going to get worse. Guys like Pierce will make about $400K and you will be lucky to have an Al Bundy shoe salesman job when you retire. That's if you don't croak by then. Look at the death rate at CAL airlines. They have about two per month croaking over there. Wake up, fool. Before you know it some Croatian or Russian will be taking our job because guys like Pierce will pave the way for outsourcing, doing away with the seniority system, etc. It's already happening, Sparky. Are you mentally impaired or just pretending to be stupid?

 

If you look, I think you'll find we are on the same page. Several before you have moved and brought forward the misdeeds of Pierce only to be shot out of the water by the forum regulars. This is a critical time for all United Pilots(CAL and UAL). What we do today will likely last 10-15 years or more in the future and that could very well be the remainder of most careers here.
All United Pilots (CAL and UAL) need to hold our LEC reps and in turn our MEC chairmen accountable. If we rubber stamp theirs misdeeds and theft, we are no better than them - we just don't the payout they do!