Delta + a dollar....
05-16-2012 | 09:08 AM
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If that doesn't get voted down it will truly be astounding how short sighted pilots have become.
Anyone who wants to vote yes for that, have them go back and look at UAL's grounding of their entire 737 fleet
in relation to the allowance of 70 seaters and scope relaxation.
I flew a few of them to the boneyard and looked around. It is a sobering reality of the effect of relaxing scope.
Just say NO.
Anyone who wants to vote yes for that, have them go back and look at UAL's grounding of their entire 737 fleet
in relation to the allowance of 70 seaters and scope relaxation.
I flew a few of them to the boneyard and looked around. It is a sobering reality of the effect of relaxing scope.
Just say NO.
05-16-2012 | 11:57 AM
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Your absolutely correct..... Let's wait... A 150%...pay increase just to get to delta rates means absolutely nothing and we should all call Jeff and thank him.
WAKE UP!!!!!
Assuming this passes and assuming scope isn't sold to get it, June 16th should be the new rally cry.
What are we willing to do????
WAKE UP!!!!!
Assuming this passes and assuming scope isn't sold to get it, June 16th should be the new rally cry.
What are we willing to do????
05-16-2012 | 02:01 PM
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Your absolutely correct..... Let's wait... A 150%...pay increase just to get to delta rates means absolutely nothing and we should all call Jeff and thank him.
WAKE UP!!!!!
Assuming this passes and assuming scope isn't sold to get it, June 16th should be the new rally cry.
What are we willing to do????
WAKE UP!!!!!
Assuming this passes and assuming scope isn't sold to get it, June 16th should be the new rally cry.
What are we willing to do????
05-16-2012 | 07:18 PM
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I perceive that DAL management (former management under Gordon Bethune) understood the value of:
1. Getting a deal done sooner than later
2. Keeping their pilots happy
3. keeping a predictiable labor price schedule so that they could price and market their product properly
Delta just bought an oil refinery, fuel prices just became easier to manage.....
05-16-2012 | 07:22 PM
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DAL has a 90ish seat RJ in their new payrates.
05-16-2012 | 07:27 PM
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05-17-2012 | 03:37 PM
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I'll probably get my head bit of for saying this but I think each unionized pilot group needs to get on the same page for the entire contract. In my opinion payrates, workrules, scheduling, even amendable dates and contract length should line up across the board. Take pilot labor costs totally out of the picture, no airline would have any labor advantage. And if we could get language in each contract that payrates will increase by 3% per year for cost of living after the amendable date. If the Delta contract is any good and gets ratified, then UCH demands the same thing, then AA-US (if that happens). Then every other unionized carrier could demand the same. This career may actually turn out OK for those of us still trying to get to the point where we earn a comfortable living.
05-17-2012 | 03:44 PM
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I'll probably get my head bit of for saying this but I think each unionized pilot group needs to get on the same page for the entire contract. In my opinion payrates, workrules, scheduling, even amendable dates and contract length should line up across the board. Take pilot labor costs totally out of the picture, no airline would have any labor advantage. And if we could get language in each contract that payrates will increase by 3% per year for cost of living after the amendable date. If the Delta contract is any good and gets ratified, then UCH demands the same thing, then AA-US (if that happens). Then every other unionized carrier could demand the same. This career may actually turn out OK for those of us still trying to get to the point where we earn a comfortable living.
05-17-2012 | 04:22 PM
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Good idea "in theory", but what of all the non-union airlines out there? There's always someone willing to do the job for less. What we "SHOULD" have done, way back when, was institute a National seniority list. Standard pay, date of hire goes with you wherever you wind up. Horse is out of the barn on that one though.
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