Ottopilot

Isn't the bid due this month/week?

UAL4LOW Stink

We were told last week it could come out as late as the last day of third qtr, ie last day of September.

SoCalGuy

"POS" CBA'02
Section 24
Part 3
Subpart C-2
(Paraphrasing)
Two system bids must be published/awareded each calendar year. These bids are not to occur more than 8 months apart, one to occur Jan-Jun, and the other to take place Jul-Dec.

In view of the above, I would say yes, one is eminent.

Keep in mind.....This impending bid (rumored to be titled 13-08) will ALSO be used as the "tool" in which to craft BES positions for 2013 VAC Bidding Slots. The first of several round of VAC Bidding normally kicks off in late Sep/early Oct.

The time needed to open/close the system bid, have the Union review it, and open up 2012 VAC Bidding......There is NOT a lot of "wiggle time" for the company to continue to withhold the bid.

....BUT then again, Jeff/Fred have not been in a huge hurry to 'complete' anything.

oldmako

And yet the Marvins and Horz are still doing all they can to help out. Slurping up 150% overtime, blocking their calrecs, CH9, early brake release, calling on the horn for this and that, ignoring FOM guidance on TRW avoidance and SOPs in general if it means saving one minute, taking liberty with maintenance issues and proper deferrals and write ups, flagrant disregard of F/Os input, responsibilities and ATP certs, ignoring hotel transp and suitability issues, IT support, etc etc etc.

The combined airline is full of Stepford pilots on their knees with dirty chins. It's disgusting.

jumppilot

We don't have CH9. Is not using CH9 a way to protest the lack of progress? Of course it is at captains discretion so you don't have to use it at all, contract or not.

Just curious.

JMD16

[QUOTEWe were told last week it could come out as late as the last day of third qtr, ie last day of September.[/QUOTE]
GSR class in IAH last week the CP said within two weeks for a system bid so 1st week of Sep? FWIW

oldmako

In brief, virtually nothing good can come from using CH9 for the pilots. Do the pax like it? Some do. That's nice but the reality is the chances of someone choosing to fly uCAL because of CH 9 is very slim. And the reality of them complaining to mother uCAL and on the innernets (if its not on) is very real. Sure its not much, but its one arrow in a severely depleted quiver.

There have been many instances whereby pilots have gotten into hot water with the FAA due to relatively insignificant episodes that pax have reported due misunderstanding of what they heard on CH 9. These instances were then blown out of proportion and created plenty of angst for the pilots involved and then ALPA trying to fix the problem. Why bother?

More importantly and more to the point of my post:

El Hefe told former MEC chair Morse that "the numbers don't show it" when she told him that more and more UAL pilots were growing sick and tired of the pace of negotiations and the souring working relationship between uCAL management and the UAL pukes flying the line. We're under a court imposed TRO and leverage is a but a whispy fart of what it has been in the past. But leverage is leverage. Are the Marvins really that happy working under this POS contract? Or are they really that spineless? Do they have no concept of what has been stolen from them under the BS bankruptcy?
Do they have no appreciation of the hard work that pilots have done in the past to further the quality of life of the average line puke? I can't figure it out.

Let's just all put on a happy face, snug on that Cap in "military fashion" and make happy PA's at the gate prior to departure!

Coto Pilot

Gary Wagoneer the manager of man power planning told me two weeks ago it would be out in the next two weeks.

Spicy McHaggis

in the next two weeks from when he told you that or in the next two weeks from now? either way, add another couple of weeks.

EWR73FO

It's now THUR the 30th. Any guesses on how many days, weeks, or months past their planned date this bid will go? I'm picking SEPT 14th at 5PM.