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jetlink 09-05-2012 09:56 AM

I have heard that Sep 10th is a deadline for L-UAL furloughed to accept new classes in CAL. Can anybody confirm if that is correct? Thanks...

Ottopilot 09-05-2012 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by jetlink (Post 1256315)
I have heard that Sep 10th is a deadline for L-UAL furloughed to accept new classes in CAL. Can anybody confirm if that is correct? Thanks...

I'd ask CAL, nothing on here is official.

APC225 09-05-2012 10:46 AM

Unfilled vacancies on Snapshot 1 (where new hires will go)

BES: openings/total positions

IAH 737: 151/612
IAH 756: 47/200

EWR 737: 97/315
EWR 756: 94/455

CLE 737: 10/114

GUM 737: 24/74

All others positions are filled on this snapshot.

Ottopilot 09-05-2012 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1256311)
Junior CA: Nov 2005

I'm waiting to hear "its not fair". A Nov 2005 hire is a United Captain.

APC225 09-05-2012 11:09 AM

On this snapshot the most senior UAL new hire can hold

IAH 737 at 59%
IAH 756 at 71%

EWR 737 at 59%
EWR 756 at 74%

LAX 737 at 71%

ORD 737 at 71%

DEN 737 at 89%

CLE 737 at 85%

GUM 737 at 58%

mossimo 09-05-2012 11:18 AM

Where exactly is the snapshot info posted? CCS? Thanks

El Gwopo 09-05-2012 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by mossimo (Post 1256367)
Where exactly is the snapshot info posted? CCS? Thanks


Ccs
Under the "other" tab
"my coair"
"flight ops"
"e bulletin board"
"snap shot"

cadetdrivr 09-05-2012 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by jetlink (Post 1256315)
I have heard that Sep 10th is a deadline for L-UAL furloughed to accept new classes in CAL. Can anybody confirm if that is correct? Thanks...

Sort of correct.

It's only a deadline for those that previously bypassed the offer to request classes in specifically in Nov. or Dec. (12/wk starting every Tuesday.) If not enough pilots make the request UCH will hire off the street.

Additional classes are anticipated to be scheduled starting in January and continuing through the spring and those same L-UAL pilots will still have first dibbs. FWIW, furloughed L-UAL pilots currently have ten year bypass rights so this process will presumably continue before, during, and after seniority list integration. In addition the TPA section that governs hiring is one of the sections that does not expire prior to a JCBA.

Squawk_5543 09-05-2012 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1256339)
Unfilled vacancies on Snapshot 1 (where new hires will go)

BES: openings/total positions

IAH 737: 151/612
IAH 756: 47/200

EWR 737: 97/315
EWR 756: 94/455

CLE 737: 10/114

GUM 737: 24/74

All others positions are filled on this snapshot.


How are you able to see vacancies on this snapshot? All I see is a list of pilots with current and awarded seats.

jetlink 09-05-2012 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1256381)
Sort of correct.

It's only a deadline for those that previously bypassed the offer to request classes in specifically in Nov. or Dec. (12/wk starting every Tuesday.) If not enough pilots make the request UCH will hire off the street.

Additional classes are anticipated to be scheduled starting in January and continuing through the spring and those same L-UAL pilots will still have first dibbs. FWIW, furloughed L-UAL pilots currently have ten year bypass rights so this process will presumably continue before, during, and after seniority list integration. In addition the TPA section that governs hiring is one of the sections that does not expire prior to a JCBA.

So, every time there is a system bid and vacancies in L-CAL, they have to go through the entire list of L-UAL furloughs before they can offer a class to off-the-street pilot? How much time do all 1069 have, do they give them a week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks,... to reply?
I can only assume, it is a phone call or email, not an official recall by FedEx letter, since it is a job offer at a "different", for now airline, and once SSL and JCBA is in effect, it will be an official recall, once vacancies becomes system wide. Am I correct?
Do L-UAL pilots, that take a job offer at L-CAL, get a "deal" in pay and benefits, such as: longevity pay, 2nd year pay, etc, or some other thing?
Another question, what happens to L-UAL furlough pilots that work now in L-CAL, how will they be integrated into the SSL, or will they have an option to compare relative seniority between 2007 L-UAL or today's L-CAL?
Looking at L-CAL most junior CA from 2005, and L-UAL from 1991, this might be interesting, when job career expectations comes to play.
I know I'm asking a lot of questions; I was one of the 28 new hire in L-CAL in 2008, who's class was canceled, and ultimately we became nobody after a merger. However, there is a talk of preferential re-interviews and job offers as a "off the street" new hire if there is not enough interest from L-UAL pilots. Currently, I'm junior and fly for "relatively" good major airline; however, looking at the upcoming retirements schedules in both UAL and CAL, I have to consider all my options. Thank you all...


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