Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA (Post 1262813)

Some of you guys need to read a little more in the actual ALPA merger procedures and policy.

Since there are relatively senior, voluntary LUAL furloughees, "stapleing" all 1435/37 to the bottom of a combined seniority list is unfeasible since the relative seniority of each carrier's respective list must be maintained. "Stapleing" a relatively senior, voluntary furloughee to the bottom of a combined list likely would violate that requirement.

However, there is no requirement that they all be considered the same. That will be argued. They just can't be reordered.

Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1262844)

Yes, I think for the purposes of SLI a "furlough" means an "involuntary furlough." Voluntary furloughs will be integrated as if on property.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1262836)

IOW, they're 99 hire date will likely not put them senior to 2004(05) hires at CAL.

But that's just my opinion. And that's worth nothing to most people. :D:D

Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1262850)

That makes perfect sense.......BUT how do you explain those who were "Voluntary Furloughs" at the time they departed property, then after they left on voluntary status, may have become "True Furloughs" (IE- The Furlough G-Line moved "North" after such time as when they left "Voluntarily", and if they would have stuck around, the would have been involuntary)???

All the more reasons that SOTeric's question ^^^above^^^ can not be treated with a "broad-brush" answer.

Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1262857)

Yes, I think broad brushes are notably absent from the room where arbitrators work an SLI.

Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1263057)

Soooooooo.... riddle me this:

Since I am a junior UAL involuntary furlough, but have taken the opportunity to go to CAL, I am "active" on CAL's list right? And if I am "active", once the ISL is put together, all the senior folks still on furlough ('cause they weren't recalled- i.e. NOT active) are going to be junior to me because I am active???

SWEET!!! :rolleyes:

Or does some sort of "snapshot" come into play, and when/ which snapshot?.....

Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1263057)

Soooooooo.... riddle me this:

Since I am a junior UAL involuntary furlough, but have taken the opportunity to go to CAL, I am "active" on CAL's list right? And if I am "active", once the ISL is put together, all the senior folks still on furlough ('cause they weren't recalled- i.e. NOT active) are going to be junior to me because I am active???

SWEET!!! :rolleyes:

Or does some sort of "snapshot" come into play, and when/ which snapshot?.....

Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1263057)

Since I am a junior UAL involuntary furlough, but have taken the opportunity to go to CAL, I am "active" on CAL's list right? And if I am "active", once the ISL is put together, all the senior folks still on furlough ('cause they weren't recalled- i.e. NOT active) are going to be junior to me.