Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 1263861)

Excellent. That means there's about 147 active CAL pilots that were furloughed when the formal merger was announced (and presumptive "snapshot" date given past practice) that will also be thrown under the bus.

It'll be really, really, hilarious when they are placed below pilots on the CAL list (i.e. furloughed UAL pilots) that are currently junior to them considering that the vast majority of furloughed UAL pilots have both a DOH and longevity advantage.

But that's a small price to pay for the benefit of all other CAL pilots, right?

Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 1263887)

More wasted bandwidth.

L-UAL will put together their best arguments on an SLI as will L-CAL and a three person arbitration panel will make a decision upsetting everyone but the number one guy. Why even bother getting on here and assaulting each other with useless information that isn't going to make one bit of difference?

Next !!

Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 1263887)

More wasted bandwidth.

L-UAL will put together their best arguments on an SLI as will L-CAL and a three person arbitration panel will make a decision upsetting everyone but the number one guy. Why even bother getting on here and assaulting each other with useless information that isn't going to make one bit of difference?

Next !!

Originally Posted by untied (Post 1263898)

We should just close down the forum instead of chatting about our views.:confused:

Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 1263920)

My point is that no matter how much you get on here and pontificate as to what the SLI should be, it doesn't change a thing and just creates useless arguments. Yes you have strong feelings as do I. Doesn't matter and its going to be decided by someone who doesn't care how you feel.

All you and the others are doing is arguing over something that you won't have any control over and as I said above, wasted bandwidth. Now of course if it makes you feel better espousing your views over and over than by all means, have at it.

Originally Posted by untied (Post 1263858)

Here's the problem with a "percentage integration"....

I'm supposed to retire at about #160. My career stagnated in the middle, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I'll have 37 years seniority in the end, and that should put me VERY senior flying a widebody.

Let's say they put my 1997 seniority with some 2007 guy since we're both on the 767 right now. Now I'm basically stapled and will never crack the top 1,200 on the combined list.

Tell me that my career expectations have not been harmed!

ALPA saw this, and they changed the merger policy. I don't think I'm "better" than a 14 year CAL guy, but I certainly don't deserve to be stapled to the bottom just as the retirements start and my career finally "gets going".

The final result should be something in the middle. A few guys taking Captain seats out of seniority at CAL will not drive the entire process. The fact that about 80% of CAL flying is done on the guppy should help the UAL guys who have a much greater chance of flying bigger equipment.

Relative seniority integration cost ALPA TWO major airlines (and all those dues). If it goes that way, ALPA is done on the property.

I talked to one CAL guy who is a 2007 hire. He believes that he should be senior to me. It's funny....it would be like he got hired at UAL when he was a teenager (he was 17 in 1997). What a deal!

I know similar things happened at USAir....that's why the policy was changed.

In the end, it's out of our hands.

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 1263968)

How about an '05 hire at CAL that is a captain now or at worst sitting right seat widebody? I'm retiring in the top 25 and would be moving up FAST due to retirements, being senior for the vast majority of my career, not the last 5 years.