No sir. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

NO!!!

I am still holding out hope that this "leak" is not truly representative of the actual TA. If it is, then it really is a failure. The fact that it actually has "training on days off" makes me think its some ind of sick joke.

You might want to do some more research, and find out who was office in 2008. ;)

OK, I understand everything about what was posted except the part in red above.

What is the UA trip-trading system and how does it work?

At CAL, we have a trip trading screen that can pull up all open-time, advertised trips, mutual trade trips, etc. I have never picked up open-time (non-advertised trips) as a line holder in 13+ years of flying, not including the reserve aggressive pick-up window. However, I have used the screen to trade trips and it is on a first-come, first-served basis. The problem arises if there is a minimum coverage issue or when the system won't let you trade even for something that makes sense (i.e. a later report time for a trip covering the same exact dates).

Guess I'm just wondering in what way the UA system is different? Do you still have online trading and open-time/advertised display? Does your system rules require the trade to be accepted without regard to "coverage" especially on date-for-date trades? Trying to figure out if this nugget is really any better than what we have or is it another "allegedly" concessionary change I think we all will like, er, hate in the TA?

I'm sure someone from UAL who is working on the CAL side now might be able to say which system is better having worked under both, but will be glad to hear what the UAL guys think about their trading system.

So I wonder if the few UAL guys that were ribbing the DAL guys over our TA rates not "setting the new bar" are going to come on and apologies when this TA gets voted in. Not only do they not " set the bar " they are below DAL and don't even catch up until DAL's is up for a new contract. That's four more years of pay scales below DAL.

OK here's an answer to two things just posted here.

"Training on days off" refers to getting paid for "distance training." At LUAL the first week of transition training consists of a "Fleet" introduction, CBT (computer based training) of basic aircraft systems and ends with a SKV, "Systems Knowledge Validation." It is not "training on days off" as was stated it is getting "training days" at your home rather than having to travel and sit a a computer screen for a week.

Second LUAL's Trip Trading begins after the monthly bids are awarded and is called the "Big Pick." It is a one time, seniority based, chance to adjust the line award before the moth starts. After the "big pick" starts the trip trading is based on availability to drop, the ability to traded directly pilot to pilot and what's in open flying.

Now the problem with the "list" is when one writes, "training on your days off" he fails to say the pilot do gets PAID DAYS TO DO THEIR TRAINING. It's up to the pilot to deccide which days he/she will actually sit down and do the CBT work. A personal discipline issue.

Spin factories at work on both sides.

...month starts

Of course it could be moths eating away at your schedule.

You read the wrong part of the article. Here is clarification from another source.


The program as it exists today was created over a decade ago by an act of Congress, the Telecommunications Act of 1996. A version of the Lifeline program was already in operation as far back as the early 1980s. (Source: USAC.org)

Congress created this...not Bush...not Obama.

True, but the wireless program was created in 2008. Regardless, my point is similar to yours. People need to research facts, because the label the program has been given is factually incorrect.

Hey, any s-cal Pilot's care to share about your vacation system?

I won't post the whole chapter:

Part 1 - Vacation Accrual
A. During his first calendar year of employment as a pilot with the Company a pilot will accrue one and one-sixth (1 1/6) days of vacation for each full month of Active Service (or, if less than a full month, more than half thereof). Thereafter, a pilot will accrue vacation in accordance with Paragraphs B and D of this Part.
B. A pilot will not accrue vacation during that part of a furlough, MLA, PLA, or COLA that is beyond the sixtieth (60th) consecutive Calendar Day, or beyond that part of a MLOA that is beyond the ninetieth (90th) consecutive Calendar Day. A pilot whose furlough or leave exceeds the terms above will have his vacation accrual outlined in Paragraph D below, prorated. Yearly vacation days specified in Paragraph D below
will be reduced by the ratio of a pilot’s days of nonaccrual in an accrual year to the number of days in that year.
C. Awarded days will be rounded to the nearest whole day (e.g., 3.4=3; 3.5=4; 3.6=4).
D. Vacations will be taken within the calendar year following the year of accrual in accordance with the following schedule:
1-4 Years = 14 days vacation
5-10 Years = 21 days vacation
11-24 Years = 35 days vacation
25-29 Years = 42 days vacation
30+ Years = 44 days vacation

Part 4 - Pay for Vacations
A. In a vacation month, in addition to the value of all flying actually performed or
credited, a Lineholder will receive vacation pay as follows:
1. A pilot’s pay for vacation will be three hours and fifteen minutes (3:15) per day.