So, almost all cal pilots are lying to me...great.

Can't wait to vote no though![/QUOTE]

We'll all be watching. I'll make you a wager, I bet you a $100 amazon gift card that there is no way you will hold 50 seat scope and get a new contract.

Although this is true, the real battle for this demographic subset will be SLI with the UAL furloughees. Keep in mind there is also a demographic a little farther vested in our careers that isn't willing to fall on our proverbial swords for scope, any more than a reserve 737 FO would strike to protect our A fund lump sum access.

The real solution here is an MEC or ALPA national leader with enough vision (and balls) to tell management, that what they propose will cause a riff within the pilot ranks. Therefore; we (collectively) wont tolerate, nor even tender divisive offers to the pilots.

Much like the company tossing the bonus lump sum out for the union to figure out how to divide however, current leadership is on a management career path and won't make such a stand until the union's bylaws prohibit or punish ALPA officials that run off for management jobs.

-Remove them from the seniority list.
-Make them sign promissory notes.
-Negotiate them out of training department jobs.

A riff is precisely their goal. To tell them they're being successful in causing this riff will just result in smiles and high fives all around.

I give UNICAL zero chance of holding 50 seat scope in a new contract. It's a completely unreasonable and unattainable goal in today's airline environment. You'll say it's management koolaide, but I'm just being realistic. There is no legacy airline in the world that flies 70-76 seat jets at mainline. Heck, Iberia has Air Nodstrum flying the CRJ 1000 as Iberia express. Air Canada had E175s at mainline and now they are getting sent to a regional due to cost pressures.

I'll make the same wager with you, $100 Amazon gift card if UNICAL can hold 50 seat scope in their new contract. All I see is you guys pounding your fists on table, management pointing and laughing, and Delta pilots making tens of thousands of dollars more than your pilot group. Good luck!

We will not hold the 50 seat scope in our new contract.

In one ear and out the other, I'm sure one day you'll be flying a desk in the CPO, telling your pilots how they should be doing it and berating anyone who disagrees.

Good luck in your non-flying management career. If your airline survives.


If you're not going to fight Scope for the junior pilots, don't expect them to support your fight to get your retirement back.

We'll all be watching. I'll make you a wager, I bet you a $100 amazon gift card that there is no way you will hold 50 seat scope and get a new contract.[/QUOTE]

Maybe we won't. I am mearly relaying what the people I fly with tell me. I will be voting no. Seems you are angry at the prospect of holding firm on 50 seats. I personally believe DAL pilots let us down in an enormous way. When they voted yes, it allowed weak people to say,"DAL set the new standard" blah blah blah. Don't care....no.

Ditto. No scope = "no" vote. Hold the line. Ignore the 50 seat RJ pilots drooling over 75 seat jets.

I am a junior pilot. I'm just telling you that the Scope in the TA provides for 70 seaters.

FYI, that program was created by the guy in office over 4 years ago.