horrido27

You still get paid less than Delta.. "I'm just sayin"
You still get your days off rolled... "I'm just sayin"
You still get double pumped..... "I'm Just sayin"
You only give up some Hub to Hub RJ flying... ''I'm just sayin"
You only get pennies to the dollar for Retro... "I'm just sayin"
You have an 'imaginary' A380 payscale... "I'm just sayin"

Sickening that an educated "professional pilot" can look at this and think it's a good deal~

Motch
NO Voter on 1 Dec 12

thor2j

You have got to be kidding???

We are in trouble with people of this intelligence working here.

Regularguy

Why is that when people make intelligent decisions and through the process they come to different solutions at least one side immediately starts threatening the other? Name calling, recalls, and even lawsuits ensues.

And revisionist insist "religion" is the source of all conflicts. Go figure.

jsled

Oh, I'll talk smack. Some of the stuff you guys put up with is unbelievable. Good thing this contract corrects a lot of that stuff.
Paid parking for commuters
Hotel for your pc. Even if based in IAH (ygtbsm, you didn't have that)
FC travel to/from pc
Dh Econ plus or better-FC international
9 hrs behind the door
12:45 rest between reserve assignments

These are just a few examples of gains for Cal pilots. Status quo (no concession) for Ual pilots.

Sled

APC225

Which makes it all the more curious that only 3 on the UAL MEC voted against it. What's that all about? This doesn't look substantially different from UAL's current contract.

13n144e

73 hour reserve guarantee, 70 hour line guarantee, only 6 immovable days off (essentially on call 25 days), training on your days off, double-pumped reserve days, outsourcing to USAir!! YGTBSM!! These are even concessionary to L-CAL, if you don't think they're concessionary to L-UAL then you are truly on board with Team FLIBS. We "put up with" the current crappy work rules because we had them shoved down our throats by the threat of bankrupcy. You vote for this POS, you own it.

jsled

You mean except for the 40-63% pay raises? That's not a sharp stick in the eye. Besides, there are other gets here for us.
14 hr downtown layovers.
2 captain augment on long flights.
M5D...huge for Hi flying
1/3.5
Inc vac and training pay
Inc RSV guarantee
Pay premiums

Sled

liveupthere

Those pay raises dont mean a thing if the soft time provisions suck.

Learjet driver

I just want to make sure I'm understanding you....... I was hired at UAL in 99 and have 6 years and a few months of active service at UAL. If this TA is voted in I go to 4 year pay, down from the 7 year pay I would be at now. When the SLI is finished I might find myself junior to a 2008 CAL hire and remain at 4 years of longevity.

I can understand how I might eat a giant **** sandwich with the SLI but to say that my longevity is tied to the CAL pilot senior to me on the new SLI is the lettuce and tomato on my giant **** sandwich.

I know that I am going to get screwed in the SLI but to actually have longevity taken away from me that I already have is crazy! I was hired at UAL over 13 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You sound like you are ok with this part of the TA because I get a raise from 7th year UAL current pay of $86 an hour to the TA rate of $112 an hour on 4th year pay.

I can already smell a class action lawsuit brewing.

emrickman

Learjet,

Well said. Couldn't agree more. How is it possible they actually can take away longevity?

Just vote no.

Eric
Jan 2000 hire