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Old 11-12-2012, 08:20 PM   #11  
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I think the enemy in this specific example is the CAL MEC.

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Now more than ever you may just want to look over the fence and find some allies. We are going to have to build some serious solidarity if we're sending this back (which I am all for). I'd just like to at least do some formation flying with the guys I'm going to war with before we have to execute a life fire mission.

What I hope you are saying is that you felt CAL MEC unfairly protected the CAL pilots through this process at your expense. sCAL JP does't work for you and never did. Let's separate that, from the fact we may not like the TA. This document however is a result of JOINT negotiations. Looks like a higher percentage of UAL MEC sent it on down the line. If we don't find some thing in common, they will have us mowing their lawns for a dollar a day too. It's going to be impossible to have much in common if you keep it up with the JP attacks.

Just a stab at diplomacy, but there is a break point.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:23 PM   #12  
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No vote. Period. UAL furloughees screwed again.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:24 PM   #13  
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I'm with you Bligh.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:34 PM   #14  
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Solid. Good job JNC!

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Sled,

Did you actually READ the TA?

The whole thing?

Or was this that new thing called sarcasm?

It's a SOLID POS.

Sure there are some things to like, but the 4 cornerstones ARE MISSING!

Too many things still at the discretion of the company.

Pay rates and schedules are NOT acceptable

Retro/Signing bonus, whatever you want to call it, Inadequate.

No provision for annual inflationary pay increases at scheduled termination of this TA.

I hope the s.UAL pilots enjoy paying for all their healthcare AND the extra $80-90 per month for retirement VBA.

Send it back, clean up all the crap the company is asking us to pay for every month, up the rates to EQUAL Delta in $$ and same schedule, Restore Immovable days for Reserves.

Good Job, I don't think so.

Time to go missed approach on this. The company does't have the gas to go to the alternate, we'll get a visual approach right back in before the end of the year. Plan B is waiting if WE have the balls to reject this POS.

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Not being sarcastic. At first glance, I'll give the TA a B. Solid 80%. Good enough to pass and then get on with the seniority list. That's my opinion and prediction. Only time will tell.

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F({k NO!

Furlough credit
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Not being sarcastic. At first glance, I'll give the TA a B. Solid 80%. Good enough to pass and then get on with the seniority list. That's my opinion and prediction. Only time will tell.

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I think the next 4 years of your life are worth more than a first glance before passing judgement.

I agree there is enough fluff in this POS to get 50.1% of pilot group to pass.

I agree we need to move on the SLI

I think there is more on the table, not sure we'll get to see it. The company handed us plan A, Plan B is what they are willing to give us if we vote this down.

I hope we are both wrong.
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UAL MEC once again totally screwed over the twice furloughed pilots. Caved to Pierce and basically altered our longevity for the SLI.
Disgusting. How do these people sleep at night???? Total trash. Total scum. Worse than scabs. At least scabs are what they are.
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Caved to Pierce...
What is it with this perception of Pierce as some kind star chamber of puppet master? Hepner ran his own show and they voted 12-3 vice 7-4 at CAL. Own it. And then vote no.
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I think the enemy in this specific example is the CAL MEC.
You give them way too much credit. UAL needs to look to their own house (12-3) rather than CAL's (7-4). This is pretty remarkable considering CAL has the far and away worse contract in the industry so you'd expect an overwhelming yes from CAL for a UAL-style contract.
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