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Old 11-12-2012, 09:07 PM   #21  
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Not being sarcastic. At first glance, I'll give the TA a B. Solid 80%. Good enough to pass and then get on with the seniority list. That's my opinion and prediction. Only time will tell.

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Have you actually looked at the ta?
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Not being sarcastic. At first glance, I'll give the TA a B. Solid 80%. Good enough to pass and then get on with the seniority list. That's my opinion and prediction. Only time will tell.

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I'll give you a solid B for BONEHEAD! *** are you thinking? Did you glance at what it does to the furloughed guys? You're a disgrace to the uniform.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:10 PM   #23  
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No vote. Period. UAL furloughees screwed again.
Losing full longevity is one thing, but this is utter BS to actually go backwards. I had to have this clarified by the LAX LEC Chairman to see if I got this right. According to the TA, after SLI integration, we cannot have a Pay Longevity that is longer than the next sCAL pilot above us (which will be a 2008 CAL hire for most of us). I have over 6 years of Pay Longevity and will now fall to 4 years according to the LAX LEC Chair. How the hell can that happen? He says the CAL MEC voted for no full restoration, of course, but how can they legally set us backwards on Pay longevity. Seniority is one thing, such as getting stapled to the bottom, but to lose time accrued for Pay is a first for any pilot group. There has to be a mechanism to prevent this or is that called a 'lawsuit'?
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losing full longevity is one thing, but this is utter bs to actually go backwards. I had to have this clarified by the lax lec chairman to see if i got this right. According to the ta, after sli integration, we cannot have a pay longevity that is longer than the next scal pilot above us (which will be a 2008 cal hire for most of us). I have over 6 years of pay longevity and will now fall to 4 years according to the lax lec chair. How the hell can that happen? He says the cal mec voted for no full restoration, of course, but how can they legally set us backwards on pay longevity. Seniority is one thing, such as getting stapled to the bottom, but to lose time accrued for pay is a first for any pilot group. There has to be a mechanism to prevent this or is that called a 'lawsuit'?
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Losing full longevity is one thing, but this is utter BS to actually go backwards. I had to have this clarified by the LAX LEC Chairman to see if I got this right. According to the TA, after SLI integration, we cannot have a Pay Longevity that is longer than the next sCAL pilot above us (which will be a 2008 CAL hire for most of us). I have over 6 years of Pay Longevity and will now fall to 4 years according to the LAX LEC Chair. How the hell can that happen? He says the CAL MEC voted for no full restoration, of course, but how can they legally set us backwards on Pay longevity. Seniority is one thing, such as getting stapled to the bottom, but to lose time accrued for Pay is a first for any pilot group. There has to be a mechanism to prevent this or is that called a 'lawsuit'?
I believe it says that prior to the SLI you can't be ahead of a 2008 hire but after SLI, your pay longevity can't be ahead of the CAL guy right ahead of you after the SLI shakedown. So, I agree it will take away pay longevity for some of the 2172. Really nice that there may at least be a period of time from JCBA to SLI that you could be behind a CAL furloughee DOH 08 that was also hired but was promptly recalled right after you were furloughed.
Make it our mission to fix it no matter how long it takes....plenty of 83CAL and 570 language...why not 2173/1473 in the next one!
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Not being sarcastic. At first glance, I'll give the TA a B. Solid 80%. Good enough to pass and then get on with the seniority list. That's my opinion and prediction. Only time will tell.

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Plz don't ever talk smack about United of Old getting destroyed by CAL Flight Ops ever again. Calling this POS a B puts you squarely in Fred Abbott's BOHICA zone.
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NO!

Disgusted right now with my 'So Called Union'..
Both Local, Pilot Group wise (except for the 7 Reps who had the Guts to Vote NO) and National.

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I are a Marine, so all these words, words, words confuse Mongo.

I think this says we get boned on seniority list integration AND don't get pay credit for the 7+ years many of us have been out on the street. Soooooooo, we'd get stapled AND not get 12th year pay for the 18 months we'll get on the property before the next round of furloughs?......Mongo no like.....

Looks like I'll be growing old as Cubicle Willy, the airline pilot that was.....that is until I get furloughed from my government job after we plummet over the fiscal cliff and become Sequestration Nation. <<Sigh>>
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Losing full longevity is one thing, but this is utter BS to actually go backwards. I had to have this clarified by the LAX LEC Chairman to see if I got this right. According to the TA, after SLI integration, we cannot have a Pay Longevity that is longer than the next sCAL pilot above us (which will be a 2008 CAL hire for most of us). I have over 6 years of Pay Longevity and will now fall to 4 years according to the LAX LEC Chair. How the hell can that happen? He says the CAL MEC voted for no full restoration, of course, but how can they legally set us backwards on Pay longevity. Seniority is one thing, such as getting stapled to the bottom, but to lose time accrued for Pay is a first for any pilot group. There has to be a mechanism to prevent this or is that called a 'lawsuit'?
Even if your perception is true, you still go from 85/hr to 114/hr DOS. That's a 34% raise. I'm just sayin

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