Any L-UAL pilot who overlooks these issues is making a grave error.

 

When and where, and more specifically WHO on the cal side said that we can live with this POS current contract indefinitely ???? I know I can't and will be voting accordingly.

 

I believe there is a letter from a EWR CAL rep with those exact words floating around the board here. I'll look to find it, but in any case I have spoken with two members of our UAL-MEC and they both have said that this is the constant spoken and unspoken threat in almost every meeting. Why else would any reasonable UAL pilot negotiator agree to LOA25 and banding a 76 with a 74.

 

Hoss, that is why is am no longer listening to a damn thing ANY sCAL pilot says on this or any other forum. CAL guys are looking at things from their (much more beneficial) side of the T&PA. UAL guys have one hell of a lot to lose here. CAL pilots not so much. In fact, I will go so far as to say that sCAL will only gain from sUAL's loss. Is this fear? You bet. Fear that I may not be able to support my family. How many CAL pilots do you think are worrying about that right now? I think you know how I'm voting.

 

WOW...what a shame of what happened to the United pilots. The true union pilots are mostly gone and all that is left is weak d*ck pilots who will SETTLE for anything because of fear...WOW I cant believe you guys have no spine in you.

 

[QUOTE=uaav8r;1296089]Hoss, that is why is am no longer listening to a damn thing ANY sCAL pilot says on this or any other forum. CAL guys are looking at things from their (much more beneficial) side of the T&PA. UAL guys have one hell of a lot to lose here. CAL pilots not so much. In fact, I will go so far as to say that sCAL will only gain from sUAL's loss. QUOTE]

Just like LUAL pilots are looking at it from their view point as they should. If you think LCAL guys like this POS TA then why did more of our LEC rep vote against it then yours? I am voting No and I think the majority of my brothers and sisters at LCAL will do the same. It would be nice to see the breakdown of the vote after it happens.

We (LCAL) are like that relative that you don't really like and only see at Christmas. However, we are still family.

Have a happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas

 

I figured I'd get a quick response. Look CAL, you and I may work for the same outfit but your position on your side of the T&PA affords you the luxury that no matter what happens here, you are UNAFFECTED. Not so with me. You can make all kinds of macho statements if it makes you feel better. It is easy for you because at the end of the day YOU do not have to worry about the things that I have to consider.

 

Once you separate the B.S. from the beef this what we are left with. The only side that loses BIG TIME if this thing drags on are the L-UAL guys. L-CAL guys have nothing to lose if this thing drags on. L-UAL guys will lose everything, that's how it's been playing out and it will only get worse for us.

 

Wow, you talk so tough. While behind the scenes your union is colluding with the company to F every sUAL pilot 3 ways to Sunday.

Mgt vs Union = fair fight. Mgt + CAL Union vs. UAL Union...not so fair anymore.

A lot of people on the UAL side are so fed up with JPos and his band of merry men that they are in a position of choosing between two evils. The consenses is swinging towards a "yes" vote because your leadership is decidedly more evil than this POS TA and is the proverbial alligator that is closest to our conoe.

So save some of your tough guy talk for your beloved leader JPos (who brought you this TA) while he and Fred figure out how to fork us over some more.

 

It appears that mgmt was playing chess while the MEC's were playing checkers all along. It all started with the TPA that, ironically, Heppner helped craft when he was NC chair under Wendy. That document served to basically codify existing scope ratios and protections in the CAL CBA for the UA pilots. There was no substantial gain for the CAL side in that regard.

Where the massive failure occurred was this time last year at the TPA renegotiations. Smisek had already shown his intrinsic reluctance to actively bargain with us, and by allowing TPA2 to have another sunset date only a year away gave the company the timeline and bargainng leverage they needed to drag this out and split the pilot groups into haves and have nots to secure a yes vote for a sub-standard TA made under duress.

I empathize with my lUal brothers over this decision, but I weep for all of us going forward because the scorched earth mentality approach to labor relations is all Team Smisek knows and cares to employ.