[QUOTE=Speedtape;1312388 "Sorry, I just threw up a little. If you think you're gonna move on to bending the CAL guys over in the SLI, you're dead wrong. Unlike you, we didn't want, and, most importantly, didn't need this merger.

As the MIL guys say... fights on !!"[/QUOTE]
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"May our differences be fewer as we move forward with SLI.

I wish each of you the best as the new contract is implemented. May your new year and your future at the airline be filled with saftey and profitability for many years to come.

Although we have had our differences in the discussion of the TA, it is now our new contract. Let's work together and make it a iron clad document that we can BANK on!"



Bligh offered a completely positive wish of unity and you beat your chest at him...fight who? So you are gonna barge into the Arbitration and fight. Whatever you say...wow.

 

Eddie ask Jeff. Those were his words.

 

This is an old wives tail that isn't correct. There is no "3 strikes" rule in Chapter 11. The following quote is from the WSJ:
"Since 1985, at least 240 companies have filed twice, said Edward Altman, a bankruptcy expert and New York University finance professor who tracks repeat bankruptcy filings. About 11 companies have filed three times in that period, he said. Two companies, he said, have filed four times—TransTexas Gas Corp. IEP +0.46% and the various iterations of the casino company that has borne Donald Trump's name."

Full article: Chapter 55: Five Trips Into Bankruptcy - WSJ.com

 

Oh yeah? Well I bet my dad can beat up your dad! I even bet my mom can beat up your dad!

Time to set our sights on the real competition: the other airlines. Ben Franklin once said "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately".

He wasn't wrong.

TW

 

I don't think people are even warmed up yet...

 

Except there WAS NO bankruptcy at CAL !! That was YOUR experience, not mine
Our 05 hires made more in 2nd year pay than a 10 year guy at UAL, plus PROFIT sharing, and held 737 CA before the merger.
We had enough financing to order and pay for new aircraft, (you know, the shiny new jets you're looking at taxiing by you when you come to work every day)

Your only career expectation was to merge with another carrier, then steal some seniority in an SLI

But again, who knows, maybe an arbitrator is smoking some of your killer weed as well

 

I agree. I think the several dozen pessimists that live on this board have plenty more vitriol to add to any future discussion, but I hold out hope that maybe . . . just maybe . . . the haters can find some common ground to move on so I don't have to sit in a cockpit for the next 20 years listening to how the vote of 2012 killed the industry. Honestly, can we some how some way stop shooting each other and focus on the realities of what we might get done in the future? The past is done and can't be changed. If you truly are upset by what has transpired thus far then I urge you to take your anger and channel it into action in the real world rather than attack individuals on the internet.

Joe Peck
IADFO-756
DOH 4/1/96

 

Great points...but when you are the launch customer before the merger for WB planes such as the 747 and 777...you tend to have older planes over time. I went to work for an airline that had the most WB jets/routes by a landslide. Republic and Skywest have new jets that I see a lot too, so what?
We had 97-99 hire Capts too...but after loosing 2 jets/crews in 9/11, UAL pilots did what they needed to do to survive. If bashing that part of UAL's history makes you feel good, we don't have much in common. Also, gloating about your very short interim success is not the wisest position in this industry, just ask the AA pilots, seemed like just yesterday they were sharks swimming in the water around our bleeding. Not sure what comparing what one "had" does for you...UAL had a contract that has never been matched by a pax carrier and CAL had 05 Capts for an extremely brief spell, is that helping anyone now, I say NO. Only considering a short period of success over the entire history of two companies would work well for you wouldn't it? Good luck.

Not really.

 

Um, during the sli process that's what they will be looking at. Not what your airline did in 1960.

 

That's funny because when I look up CAL's business history they report that they were in bankruptcy twice, Once from 1983 until 1984 and again in 1990 to 1997. 1997 was the same year got hired at UAL BTW and when I got hired here almost 16 years ago my number one thought was "MAN I hope to one day merge with that bankrupt airline CAL so I can steal some seniority from guys who were hired 10 plus years at CAL after I was hired at UAL". Oh wait minute that doesn't make any sense if I was hired before them shouldn't I be senior to them...??? Whatever I've got no control over this just like you don't.

DUDE! SERIOUSLY, it's in the arbitrators hands now there is nothing we can do about it. Whatever happens happens and you can either move forward or you can be miserable the rest of your career. I've eatten enough poo pies over the last ten years to know that you just have roll with the punches or you'll wind up an angry little shell of man or worse you might find yourself 6' under as many of our guys have decided to do to themselves over the last decade. Life is to short to worry about things you can't change.

Besides that Pat Patterson could have beat up Bob Six if they would of ever had a cage match.