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Old 12-17-2012 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jetserf
You obviously haven't read the TA. It was mostly concessionary.
Concessionary because you didn't get everything you wanted?
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Old 12-17-2012 | 10:42 AM
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Um, during the sli process that's what they will be looking at. Not what your airline did in 1960.
Agree. At time of merger UAL had 72 aircraft that were 747s or 777s and CAL had 22 777s. CAL had a ton of guppys, and I don't know exactly exactly because I can't count that high. UAL had 50 wb on order (A350 and 787) and CAL had 25 (787). Those will be taken into account as well I'm sure, and they are all good for all of us, regardless of which side, because we will all be able to fly them and most importantly get paid them at some point in our careers.

The DAL/NWA merger they looked at the ratio of widebody to narrowbody for each airline, and did the list that way.

UAL has a higher percentage of widebody, and CAL is mostly guppys. So they will look at that and longevity and career expectations and current seat, etc and go from there.

We will all find out in June probably, but I'm not worried either way because I think reasonable people are going to be doing this and whatever they come up with will have so much scrutiny and analysis that it will be fine.
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Old 12-17-2012 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SVTCobra
Concessionary because you didn't get everything you wanted?
Concessionary because most of the scheduling section looks like old CAL which was concessionary.
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Old 12-17-2012 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by thor2j
Um, during the sli process that's what they will be looking at. Not what your airline did in 1960.

This is what was going on at the time of the merger. Notice how odd it is that the UAL 737 fleet disappeared right in the middle of the negotiation period about 6 months before the merger was announced.

Happily once the dust settles I think the rapid movement coming in the next few years will help ameliorate some of the pain of the SLI. . . just gotta find a way to have fun between now and then.











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Old 12-17-2012 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
This is what was going on at the time of the merger. Notice how odd it is that the UAL 737 fleet disappeared right in the middle of the negotiation period about 6 months before the merger was announced.
This could actually work out to be better for the UAL pilot group. We all of a sudden have more widebody aircraft by percentage.
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Old 12-17-2012 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
This is what was going on at the time of the merger. Notice how odd it is that the UAL 737 fleet disappeared right in the middle of the negotiation period about 6 months before the merger was announced...

CAL lost about 67 737s about that time as well.
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Old 12-17-2012 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
This is what was going on at the time of the merger. Notice how odd it is that the UAL 737 fleet disappeared right in the middle of the negotiation period about 6 months before the merger was announced.
Correlation does not equal causation. Tiger Woods also announced an indefinite leave from professional golf to focus on his marriage six months before the merger announcement but this isn't why UAL parked the 737s either.
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Old 12-17-2012 | 01:07 PM
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Correlation does not equal causation. Tiger Woods also announced an indefinite leave from professional golf to focus on his marriage six months before the merger announcement but this isn't why UAL parked the 737s either.
Or was it?
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Old 12-17-2012 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by thor2j
Um, during the sli process that's what they will be looking at. Not what your airline did in 1960.
haha. You are a funny guy. It's a good thing they don't look at what your airline did in the past. Because yours was a scabbed out, union totally broken, 2x bankrupt airline. I never even put in an application. Nowadays, I can't hardly fly out of Denver on one of your little guppies without having a scab captain fly me. Don't you worry bout the SLI. It is on it's way....now that we (UAL pilots) voted in this contract. Let's divvy up those new aircraft orders, shall we?

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Old 12-18-2012 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
haha. You are a funny guy. It's a good thing they don't look at what your airline did in the past. Because yours was a scabbed out, union totally broken, 2x bankrupt airline. I never even put in an application. Nowadays, I can't hardly fly out of Denver on one of your little guppies without having a scab captain fly me. Don't you worry bout the SLI. It is on it's way....now that we (UAL pilots) voted in this contract. Let's divvy up those new aircraft orders, shall we?

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Shouldn't you be counting your retro pay?
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