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Old 12-15-2012 | 09:23 AM
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"May our differences be fewer as we move forward with SLI"

The furoughed UAL pilots will forever be screwed by this TA as it leads into SLI. We are not a part of CAL and have been screwed over by UAL pilots.

I'll be taking an offer to fly a new Falcon 7X. Good luck to everyone. You just created your own misery. Most concessonary contract I've seen in almost 30 years.

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Old 12-15-2012 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jetserf
Cost neutral has been Jeff Smisek's mantra with regard to the combined contract since negotiations started, it's not something I made up or found on any forum. Everywhere I looked in the TA that there was a gain there were two or more areas where we as pilots lost ground. I think management won out.
What kind of financial fantasy land do you in? Is JP Morgan's analysis wrong? What numerical proof do you have to dispute them? Good grief.

JP Morgan trims 2013 profit forecast for UAL Corp. - Businessweek
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Old 12-15-2012 | 09:28 AM
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ALPA is now done as a credible bargaining agent for mainline carriers.

Rename it: regional airline pilots association; the shoe fits.
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Old 12-15-2012 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
What kind of financial fantasy land do you in? Is JP Morgan's analysis wrong? What numerical proof do you have to dispute them? Good grief.

JP Morgan trims 2013 profit forecast for UAL Corp. - Businessweek
Yea those analyst are always right, geez glad your on the other side.
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Old 12-15-2012 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 47dog
"May our differences be fewer as we move forward with SLI"

The furoughed UAL pilots will forever be screwed by this TA as it leads into SLI. We are not a part of CAL and have been screwed over by UAL pilots.

I'll be taking an offer to fly a new Falcon 7X. Good luck to everyone. You just created your own misery. Most concessonary contract I've seen in almost 30 years.

Jeff laughs at you
Good luck. I assume you will be resigning and cutting all ties with us "scum."
Hope the corporate world and its extreme love and concern for pilots works out for you.
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Old 12-15-2012 | 09:42 AM
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Yea those analyst are always right, geez glad your on the other side.
Do a study that analyzes data and reaches a conclusion based on it. Then you might change my opinion. Opinions with no research to back them only are credible to some people on forums such as this one.
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Old 12-15-2012 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Do a study that analyzes data and reaches a conclusion based on it. Then you might change my opinion. Opinions with no research to back them only are credible to some people on forums such as this one.
A partial study on it and thats about all, enjoy the contract.
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Old 12-15-2012 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 47dog
"May our differences be fewer as we move forward with SLI"

The furoughed UAL pilots will forever be screwed by this TA as it leads into SLI. We are not a part of CAL and have been screwed over by UAL pilots.

I'll be taking an offer to fly a new Falcon 7X. Good luck to everyone. You just created your own misery. Most concessonary contract I've seen in almost 30 years.

Jeff laughs at you
Considering this is a high improvement over either of the current CBA's in almost all respects, I find that statement to be laughable.

Also, the TA can't possible affect the SLI. There is no provision in ALPA merger policy that says a TA will affect SLI. Even if one side was given 100 years of seniority for pay, it wouldn't affect anything. Longevity is what it is. Any reasonable person can see that and the arbitrator isn't going to care.
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Old 12-15-2012 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
What kind of financial fantasy land do you in? Is JP Morgan's analysis wrong? What numerical proof do you have to dispute them? Good grief.

JP Morgan trims 2013 profit forecast for UAL Corp. - Businessweek
They are going to tell you that Jeff called them and told them to print that so they would scare the pilots into voting "yes" thinking they had done their best.

Its all a big conspiracy against airline pilots... You gotta know that...

Now I'll go put on my tin foil hat so that management can't read my thoughts....
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Old 12-15-2012 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by myoface
What is the first and second year pay? Is there health care from day one?
thanks
1st year....$60.92
2nd year (after jan 2014)....$97.25 on A-319,737-5/700
Insurance from date of hire
Lodging and expenses provided while in training
uniform paid by the company

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