LAX Pilot

Except relative seniority would be a windfall for CAL pilots. UAL has much more widebody aircraft, and fewer narrowbody. CAL is a smaller airline, but has more than twice as many narrowbody, and UAL has three times as many widebody.

My friends at CAL all tell me they would like relative seniority, and I don't blame them. It would be good for them, and bad for me, alas.

And if thats what they do, then thats fine. But you just have to understand that while CAL is a great airline and there are certainly opportunities for earlier relative seniority narrowbody capts, UAL brings the big paying jobs in greater number.

So if the DAL arbitration was used as a model they'd say (pretending it was 3 to 1 widebody) the top XXXX pilots are going to be 3 UAL for 1 CAL and then do the same for mid body, and then the narrowbody (except it would be 2 CAL for 1 UAL mixing in the narrowbody).

That's only if they use that logic.

Doesn't matter either way, because they are certainly to make it confusing enough that we all shrug and say "Ok, that's the list"

LAX Pilot

Someone just put that together for a comparison. Its not official LOL.

Wrsofked

Ok..I'm willing to listen here. Notice I did say UAL pilots getting a bump for their time in active service.

I don't see how ending up somewhere close to your pre merger position relatively is a windfall? You are where you were within a few percentage points adjusted for longevity, active service, and career expectations. How is that a windfall? Your not gaining or losing much.

Our guys relative to the end of the UAL list have been captains for years if they wanted to be. Super senior first's if not.

It's all moot anyway...just throwing it out there.

Free Bird

And that is exactly why arbitrators have essentially handed out relative list recently.

Btw, the widebody/narrowbody percentages had very little if any influence on the DAL/NWA list, it just didn't matter to the arbitrators. The NWA guys did a get a small bump (pull and plug) to makeup for the large number of NWA retirements. I personally was within .1 percent of my pre-merger relative number.

I think that the UCAL list will have some different factors than the Delta list, but anything more than 3-5% difference in relative numbers is unlikely imo. The worst guys at Delta (91' hires) lost about 3% relative I think.

Good luck to all

LAX Pilot

It isn't because they just wanted to do it relatively. Its because the fleets were more closer relative to each other.

CAL and UAL do not have that similar fleet mix.

UAL had 72 widebodies and 140 narrowbody. So 1 for 2.

CAL had 22 widebody and 240 737's So 1 for 10.

These don't count the 25 WB CAL had on order and the 50 WB UAL had on order, so it could skew the ratios a bit more.

BTW, I read the ENTIRE DAL NWA arbitration decision, and they used the size of the fleets and ratios which is how they came up with the three tranches of seniority. Yes, some people came out very close, because the fleets were similar.

But its simplistic to think they just made it relative for no reason and that they will do that with CAL UAL.

A320

Oh that comparison? You actually believe that is the final solution?

EWR73FO

APC225

Arbitration hearings on the SLI have been scheduled to begin in April. All hearings will be open to pilots and their families.

All hearings will take place at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel,1330 Maryland Avenue SW, Washington, DC. This hotel is located just a short walk from L'Enfant Plaza (which is also a hub for the Metro trains). Hearings are scheduled to extend for nine hours each day and will likely begin each day at 9 a.m. and end by 6 p.m. with up to a 90-minute break for lunch. Signage will be posted in the hotel entry and/or lobby to direct members to the hearing room for that day. A schedule of arbitration hearings follows:

April 15-20
May 11-15
June 11-13
June 18-20
June 27-28

Each side will present opening statements on April 15. The Continental Representatives will present their direct case April 15-20. The United Representatives will present their direct case May 11-15. June hearings are scheduled for rebuttal and sur-rebuttal presentations by both parties. One or more of the listed dates may not be used.

In addition, pre-hearing statements will be submitted April 11, 2013 and post-hearing briefs will be submitted July 25, 2013. All statements and briefs will be posted on the Merger Committee’s section of the MEC website once they are available. Links to the content will be provided in regular updates and on the MEC website homepage.

SpecialTracking

This is soley about maintaining your position on the seniority list from your date of hire til you retire. It has nothing to do with a sli.

full of luv

Glad yo see they're not slumming it.