Is the SLI already done?
03-31-2013, 04:19 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by LAX Pilot
Not even close. Including the 16% B-fund contribution and not even counting work rules, all aircraft types at UAL paid more than all aircraft types at CAL. 777 rates were exactly $1 less per hour, but with the 16% B-fund, they were way more. Doesn't even count trip rigs, etc.
It doesn't matter now because its in the hands of the arbitrators.
You guys keep quoting the talking points, but no one reading this board is on the arbitration panel and actually looking at the data shows the truth.
I'd be shocked if one United pilot had a lower relative seniority than they currently have, if not much higher, including the pilots on furlough, who are obviously coming back to the property, hence have a great career expectation.
It doesn't matter now because its in the hands of the arbitrators.
You guys keep quoting the talking points, but no one reading this board is on the arbitration panel and actually looking at the data shows the truth.
I'd be shocked if one United pilot had a lower relative seniority than they currently have, if not much higher, including the pilots on furlough, who are obviously coming back to the property, hence have a great career expectation.
04-01-2013, 04:13 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Probe
Section 6 - Seniority
6-A General
6-A-1 A Pilot shall be placed and shall retain his relative seniority position on the United Pilot Seniority List (the “Seniority List”) effective on the date of hire as a Pilot with the Company. A Pilot shall remain on the Seniority List from such date except as provided in this Agreement.
The above is cut and pasted from the new JCBA. Does this mean the SLI is already done? The UAL and CAL sides both voted on it.
Please don't flame me for this, but this is from the contract. I won't argue one way or another how it should be done.
Maybe JP was so busy trying to write LOA 25, he forgot to read the fine print...........
6-A General
6-A-1 A Pilot shall be placed and shall retain his relative seniority position on the United Pilot Seniority List (the “Seniority List”) effective on the date of hire as a Pilot with the Company. A Pilot shall remain on the Seniority List from such date except as provided in this Agreement.
The above is cut and pasted from the new JCBA. Does this mean the SLI is already done? The UAL and CAL sides both voted on it.
Please don't flame me for this, but this is from the contract. I won't argue one way or another how it should be done.
Maybe JP was so busy trying to write LOA 25, he forgot to read the fine print...........
I realize you guys are all havin' a rockin' good time arguing over something we can't control, BUT I just thought I would address the OP's actual question:
Does this mean the SLI is already done?
Ahh, sorry Mr. Probe, but I do believe that would be a mistaken interpretation of the language. 1) The "Seniority List" is what the SLI is building, and 2) the paragraph is talking about new hires. You get added to the list when you get hired, and you keep your relative position until the day you die or until some judge says otherwise based on some future airline nonsense.
Just tryin' to stay focused
04-01-2013, 05:45 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by Speedtape
Who are coming back to the CAL side, thanks to the merger.
And have a great career expectation as EWR756 FO, VS
junior A320 FO in ORD/SFO
Again, thanks to the merger.
So if you think those pilots deserve anything other than staple to the bottom of the combined list, perhaps they should take their red clips and entitled attitudes back out on furlough, and await recall to the L-UAL side, since its obviously been such a great career for them
And have a great career expectation as EWR756 FO, VS
junior A320 FO in ORD/SFO
Again, thanks to the merger.
So if you think those pilots deserve anything other than staple to the bottom of the combined list, perhaps they should take their red clips and entitled attitudes back out on furlough, and await recall to the L-UAL side, since its obviously been such a great career for them
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04-01-2013, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mattc
Dude, as one of those twice furloughed UAL guys I have to tell you that it's attitudes like yours that are going to make this merger way more painful than it needs to be. What a turd! I pray I never fly with a jack*ss like you!
who walk around the IAH schoolhouse with the biggest chip on their
shoulders- one that would get them pulled out and sent packing if they were probationary.
They act like entitled victims, and refuse to return a friendly hello. On the line they talk about "getting their left seat BACK after SLI" - BACK! When was a 99 hire a CA? Where were you when CAL was hiring in 05 ? You could have applied here. Probably too good for CAL is my guess.
We aren't the ones who drove your airline into the dirt, that would be your MGT. Be angry at Glenn and CO.
I used to be pretty neutral, but my attitude changed after steady exposure to this kind of nonsense.
I'm actually a generous and humble guy to fly with, but I absolutely will not be if you bring this to the cockpit with you. Thats all
Cheers
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04-01-2013, 02:23 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Speedtape
Well, perhaps you should talk to your fellow "red clip" brethren who walk around the IAH schoolhouse with the biggest chip on their shoulders- one that would get them pulled out and sent packing if they were probationary.
Originally Posted by Speedtape
They act like entitled victims, and refuse to return a friendly hello.
Originally Posted by Speedtape
On the line they talk about "getting their left seat BACK after SLI" - BACK! When was a 99 hire a CA?
Originally Posted by Speedtape
Where were you when CAL was hiring in 05 ? You could have applied here. Probably too good for CAL is my guess.
I can't speak for others but of all the potential options in 2005, CAL was not even on my radar. Please don't take offense but 05 CAL first year pay, commuting to EWR (or IAH), and no health insurance???
No thanks.
04-01-2013, 02:41 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
Which, of course, they are not. Why expect them to walk on pins and needles? Or are you one of the folks that constantly needs to be "stroked"?
Um, sure.
Perhaps this was said by a voluntary furloughee who is hanging out at CAL??? (Many of these pilots will absolutely return to their prior CA seats after SLI--unless, of course, they take their recall to UAL first. And the recalls only recently started.)
You are almost certainly correct.
I can't speak for others but of all the potential options in 2005, CAL was not even on my radar. Please don't take offense but 05 CAL first year pay, commuting to EWR (or IAH), and no health insurance???
No thanks.
Um, sure.
Perhaps this was said by a voluntary furloughee who is hanging out at CAL??? (Many of these pilots will absolutely return to their prior CA seats after SLI--unless, of course, they take their recall to UAL first. And the recalls only recently started.)
You are almost certainly correct.
I can't speak for others but of all the potential options in 2005, CAL was not even on my radar. Please don't take offense but 05 CAL first year pay, commuting to EWR (or IAH), and no health insurance???
No thanks.
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