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Old 12-19-2012, 04:44 PM   #11  
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Well it's impossible for an SLI to please 10,000+ pilots. Someone started a Delta SLI thread posting how their integration went. It seems for the most part it was a pretty smooth intergration. Would most of you favor something similar?
Sure, but NWA and DAL both had more widebody aircraft than CAL and both had less than UAL, so they were "closer" airlines to begin with.
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"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters."

At least ten characters....

1. Manny
2. Moe
3. Jack
4. Curly
5. Moe
6. Larry
7. JayH
8. JayP
9. El Heffe
10. Fred
11. Pete
12. The capt who assured me we were getting FULL retro,
13. The capt who assured me we were getting FULL retro AND equity,
15. The captains who were certain that the "rumored" TA leaks were bogus (funny how the were amazingly accurate),
14. The captains who wanted to wait till airborne to write up known deficiencies...what FOM?
15. The captains who popped the parking brake early to get the on time...what SOP?
16. The captains who wanted to leave hubs with with serious mechanical deficiencies MEL'd knowing that no one at the other end would want to fly the junk they carried,
17. The captains who didn't want to risk having to explain legitimate late departures to the CP,
18. Jeffrey Lebowski
19. Walter Sobchak
20. Donnie Kerabotsos
21. Brandt
22. Jackie Treehorn
23. Karl Hungus
24. Maude Lebowski
25. Knox Harrington
26. Jesus Quintana
27. Plankton
28. Peter Griffin
29. Quagmire
30. Anton Chigurh
31. Sir Lancelot
32. Arthur Pewty
33. The Knights who said 'Ni!'
34. Major Kong
35. Hollis P. Wood
36. Taggart
You forgot "James."
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:10 PM   #13  
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I agree. DOH would be stupid.

But relative seniority would also be stupid as a guy with 14 years of active time at an airline with lots of widebodies and him never having been furloughed would be equal to a guy with 2 years of time at the other airline that has tons of 737s'.

So they will figure something out and I think its going to be just fine.....
And CAL narrow bodies paid more the UAL wide bodies. So you want the money or look cool or in your airplane? Part of career expectations.
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And CAL narrow bodies paid more the UAL wide bodies. So you want the money or look cool or in your airplane? Part of career expectations.
Well said. I don't give a good goose fart what I'm flying as long as I get paid well and have a good quality of life. The "we have more widebodies" argument never made much sense to me, especially given that - as a 737 FO at Cal - I was making more than UAL widebody FOs and still getting 18 days off a month.
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And CAL narrow bodies paid more the UAL wide bodies. So you want the money or look cool or in your airplane? Part of career expectations.
No they didn't. Not even close.
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Where will the UAL furloughs end up on the list?
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:22 PM   #17  
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No they didn't. Not even close.
12 year pay from prior to JCBA:

UAL 767 CA: $160.53
CAL 737-800 CA: $169.33

UAL 777/747 CA: $191.79
CAL 777/767 CA: $193.15


UAL 767 FO: $109.64
CAL 737-800 FO: $115.60

UAL 777/747 FO: $131.00
CAL 777/767 FO: $131.80

I think this is what they are referring to. Do you have differing information?
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Where will the UAL furloughs end up on the list?
Thats the $64k question and nobody knows with the new policy. CAL will scream "staple" and UAL will scream "longevity" and the arbitrators will sort it out. The only thing that is known is that they will be senior to any new hires.

Note that CAL also had pilots on furlough when the merger was announced that are in the same boat if the snapshot is merger announcement (or closing) in 2010.
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12 year pay from prior to JCBA:

UAL 767 CA: $160.53
CAL 737-800 CA: $169.33

UAL 777/747 CA: $191.79
CAL 777/767 CA: $193.15


UAL 767 FO: $109.64
CAL 737-800 FO: $115.60

UAL 777/747 FO: $131.00
CAL 777/767 FO: $131.80

I think this is what they are referring to. Do you have differing information?
Nope. That looks right. Here is some more...(on MAD)
UAL 777/747..............78
UAL 767....................35
CAL 777/767..............48
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But relative seniority would also be stupid as a guy with 14 years of active time at an airline with lots of widebodies and him never having been furloughed would be equal to a guy with 2 years of time at the other airline that has tons of 737s.
They also might consider what the career expectations (I.e. career earnings) are of one junior pilot who is an FO and will be an FO for many years who eventually makes widebody captain when he's 64, vice another junior pilot who is a 737 captain at 35 and remains a 737 captain or better for the next 30 years. The mere existence of more larger planes at one airline doesn't necessarily mean career expectations are better.

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