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#41
The CAL pilot neutral was of the opinion that the furloughed pilots should at least be credited with active time served prior to being furloughed.
He was overruled by the arbitrator and the UAL pilot neutral, both of whom felt that the furloughed pilots did not deserve any longevity credit.
Ironic, isn't it?
#42
Except that policy has been changed to add Longevity as a factor. So I don't think that its going to be ignored.
The question is does longevity mean when you got initially hired, how long you were active, or a mix of the two?
And yes, a furloughed pilot does have a career expectation, all other things being equal. So we will see how they put all that together.
The question is does longevity mean when you got initially hired, how long you were active, or a mix of the two?
And yes, a furloughed pilot does have a career expectation, all other things being equal. So we will see how they put all that together.
#43
Are you suggesting that as a LUAL pilot I may find myself junior to another LUAL pilot who was hired after me? I am positive that will not happen.
#44
No. That's not going to happen. The CAL merger committee update covered that question in their last update. It was very concise and informative.
#45
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No, I was speaking DAL vs NWA. IOW, a NWA pilot who was hired in 1995 ended up senior to a DAL pilot hired in 1991. But a DAL guy hired in 1989 ended up senior to a guy hired at NWA in 1986. Sorry for not clarifying.
#46
SO we should see who was hired at Pan Am, Eastern, Braniff, TWA,
and get their DOH, and merge them first !!
If you're out of a job when the merger happens, you should go to the bottom, and be happy you weren't out of a job forever. As for longevity, 10+ years sitting at the bottom, holding NB FO does not equal 5 years of steady progression and ability to hold NB CA. Failing to take that into account results in a big windfall for the 1st guy,(which is what he's been hoping for all along)
But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong
and get their DOH, and merge them first !!
If you're out of a job when the merger happens, you should go to the bottom, and be happy you weren't out of a job forever. As for longevity, 10+ years sitting at the bottom, holding NB FO does not equal 5 years of steady progression and ability to hold NB CA. Failing to take that into account results in a big windfall for the 1st guy,(which is what he's been hoping for all along)
But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong
#47
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There will be no one size fits all to the list. They don't have to apply DOH, Relative %, shoe size, number of Super Bowl wins for preferred NFL team, etc to the entire list. They can use all of these metrics for whatever portion of the list is the most appropriate. The only things I can and will say for sure about how the list turns out is I won't be leapfrogging anyone already senior to me at CAL and I don't expect to be worse off in terms of lineholder/reserve than what I am now.
#48
Are you saying it is reasonable to expect someone not employed by United to displace or jump ahead of a current United employee? How can someone not employed with a company expect to have any expectations with that company, much less better expectations than a person currently employed with that company?
Again, as rough as it may sound, furloughs are FORMER employees of United and have as much career expectations as Joe Pilot at Express whose Dad is a chief pilot.
Again, as rough as it may sound, furloughs are FORMER employees of United and have as much career expectations as Joe Pilot at Express whose Dad is a chief pilot.
Furloughee's have a career expectation in order of seniority, a pilot that is simply unemployed does not and that is the difference between those working and those temporarily unemployed through no fault of their own. These folks have rights to a UAL job unavailable to anyone else.
Consider a world where the lists were not put together, the furloughees, in time, would return, fly a career and retire at a certain seniority, based on their age, notwithstanding other types of attrition. This is quantifiable, without too much effort a career earnings could be calculated, even for someone that is furloughed today. The arb will look at all of this and then decide, but to say furlough status predetermines a particular outcome would be ill advised.
#49
Don't let the fact that UAL furloughees have a seniority number on the current list, are defined as a status category by union policy, and have 10 year recall rights get in your way. Just like Joe pilot at Express, right
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