Scan your UPU card... email it to CEO Moak and suggest change...

 

Change what? How is calling it something different going to make a different.

If these people think they have a better plan they need to run for ALPA leadership and make the changes. ALPA itself is never the problem. Its always the people.

I just don't see any advantage to this for us. We just lose in our strength in numbers with national issues.

 

Folks who are interested in this issue need to take a look at, and ask their Representatives, to take a look at the Pinnacle Bridge Agreement.

Pinnacle, allegedly with the support of Lee Moak, did a contract directly with Delta management that among other things, modifies Delta's Section 1, locks down the outsourced jets and modifies hiring language to favor Pinnacle pilots over other ALPA members. The Delta MEC was not even told another ALPA group had engaged their management.

It is a horrible precedent when another group can come in and do a deal which excludes your MEC. Our MEC Chairmen need to call a Executive Council, but of course ALPA's attorneys are out in force defending their client. Most Reps do not understand that ALPA attorneys work for ALPA. The ALPA attorney assigned to your MEC still represent ALPA.

We have processes to deal with bargaining that does not comply with our Admin Manual and Constitution and Bylaws. Rather than replacing ALPA, the smart thing to do is to fix it. The Pinnacle Bridge agreement is a good place to start because of the issues that are involved (an autocratic structure which excludes the representation of members).

 

"We just lose in our strength in numbers with national issues."

Uhhh...National was paying attention to our National issues this summer??? While he was partying in Europe?

 

[QUOTE=Dave Fitzgerald;1324492]"We just lose in our strength in numbers with national issues."

National issues like supporting the age 65 change?

 

[QUOTE=UAL SUX;1324618]Which gave you five more years to build up your retirement and continue to fly.

 

[QUOTE=LAX Pilot;1324639]The flip side being, if you wanted to leave at sixty you now have five years of stagnation to deal with. Rationalize away but it's just greed anyway you slice it.

 

[QUOTE=JoePatroni;1324716]
With no member of congress voting against it... I hardly doubt it was pilot greed...... it was a raw deal no doubt... but we pilots were just playahs... the owners knew what they were doing....

 

[QUOTE=Snarge;1324719]The whole thing was spearheaded by a SW pilot who has not lost one thin dime to bankruptcy, merger, or any of the other convenient excuses spouted by his clones. It was ALL about greed, look at the people who directly and immediately benefited.

It was a backdoor deal and you are correct, the owners (ALPA and Prater) knew exactly what they were doing. They found a convenient way to circumvent the NPRM process. Prater was talking about changing the age back in 1996.

 

I just can't see how this UPU will go anywhere, ALPA just got a positive approval rating by 2/3 of the pilots less then a month ago.