LAX pilot. Get over it. Your airline sucked before the merger. It was dying and anyone with half a brain knew it. I'm tired of reading your pompous nonsense and ridiculous accusations. Jay Pierce must be the second coming of Dr. Evil the way you and many UAL pilots make him out to be. Many UAL pilots preached that we must pass this contract in the name of unity, yet you and several others piously preach your garbage. Get on board with all 12000 of us or shut up.

 

I thought they were required to fish or cut bait when they were given their second offer of recall (as the company moved up the list). Not true?

 

Good thing this TA was voted in. We could have had actual protections to ensure that things like this didn't happen. Would have been terrible to try and ensure that the new contract actually had language that would have protected the furloughees and new CA slots from parking another fleet of aircraft.

 

The offer to fly at CAL wasn't a recall. UAL pilots flying at CAL are still on furlough from UAL.

As far as those who didn't take the job offer I think they can still do that but they have to contact the company. The company doesn't have to go through the list again.

 

Correct. Not True. The "poop or get off the pot" or "fish or cut bait" call does not exist in this furlough. The furloughees have 10 years of recall rights.

Sled

 

Perhaps. The IAH chief pilot update says this upcoming system bid is likely the last, but I am sure you won't be disappointed with any delay. Of course, no matter how long it takes, once it's done and if there is a displacement bid for parked UAL 757s, the displaced pilots can bump to wherever they can hold. No vacancy needed. This may cause secondary and tertiary displacements. It's all in section 8-E of the CBA. No change from sUAL's last contract. IOW, it will all come out in the wash.

Sled

 

Actually there are some slight changes to section 8. Of course you put the old UAL contract next to the UPA and noticed them yes?

and just in case you missed it.

LOA 26

Item 102

8 : Vacancies and Staffing

"Implementation to be developed by the Joint Implementation Team (JIT) At SLI the JIT will develop a process to provide for combined bidding of vacancies"

ALL of section 8 applies to the above, but you can continue to bury your head in the sand.

 

SO you are saying the implementation schedule LOA for combining your system bids with our montly bids is going to negate section 8-E Displacement Bulletins? OK. I ain't saying your wrong, but that's pretty thin. Time will tell.

Sled

 

No, I am saying you need to read the UPA. Your assertion that Section 8 is a direct copy of your previous contract is incorrect, again go read. ALL of section 8 is on hold until the JIT figures out a process.
I know you're a die hard DOH guy and foaming at the mouth, but remember that UCH ordered 737's for the sUAL side as a replacement for those 757's.

The paragraph your hanging your hat on:

8-E-6-c
A Pilot who has displacement rights may 1) displace into any Category (except for a Category being phased out as set forth in Section 8-E-7-b ) where a Pilot junior to him holds an assignment, whether activated or not, and excluding pilots who remain subject to displacement after the application of Section 8-E-7 or pilots exempt from displacement under the provisions of Section 7-I, or 2) be awarded any vacancy to which he is entitled by seniority.

The current CAL contract, as it pertains to system bids, is still in effect. UCH must run 1 and now possibly 2 more system bids

 

1. I am not a die hard DOH guy.
2. I was clear in my post that IF there was a displacement bid AFTER <SLI> was done, then Section 8-E would apply.

"displace into any Category (except for a Category being phased out as set forth in Section 8-E-7-b ) where a Pilot junior to him holds an assignment" is pretty clear to me. Being awarded a vacancy is voluntary, meaning if you don't bid, you don't get a vacancy. Some guys like to wait for the displacement bid. You go where you can hold (regardless of vacancies). Paid move. No freeze. Like I said. Time will tell.

Sled