You are good. I was born in 1977 and was a UAL intern. How did you know?

 

You are so off the mark that you are forced into keyboard bravado to bolster your position based on suppositions.

I question the mindset of one who crosses a picket line. Their intentions are not to mind the store while the final contract details are being sorted out. They are opportunist looking to not only permanently replace lawfully striking employees, but to replace the financial support of the families involved. It is that opportunist mindset, combined with a beholden attitude, that invites questionable decision making skills.

We do not need to fight the battles of the past. We however, need to remember the past and the actions of those taken. If they are forgotten, a conduit remains for a repeat of the past.

While stagnating our careers resulting in deeper furloughs than what was necessary, age 65 did lend a financial lifeline to those who found themselves in a genuinely difficult situation. It is...what it is.

.....my apologies to all for the thread drift.

 

Well said.

I was 10 in 1983, and 12 in 1985 for the two respective strikes, so I guess I fit into the group that should just shut up and color regarding calling a scab a scab based on what some here believe.

That said, my Dad, was a Frontier pilot during that entire time, and in-between being furloughed 7 times at Frontier while all of this was going on and driving a moving truck to make sure his kids were fed - he didn't cross a picket line at either company. He has integrity. His decisions financially damaged our family when he could have jumped over other pilots on the list for financial gain, but I commend him for not doing so. He could have crossed as the others did, but he knew that it was wrong. A kind of wrong that never goes away. We need to remember the past. To simply choose to accept or forget what the SCABS did is to disparage the memory and integrity of the many who chose to hold the line and not stab their brothers/sisters in the back when times got tough. Just the perspective of a kid growing up in an airline family that is proud of his Dad.

Scott

 

Damn straight! I have a PDF scab list on my company Ipad. I am no longer in the left seat, but I do look up jumpseaters and show their scabby names to the Captain if they are on the list. Sometimes they are left at the gate, unless there is a seat in the back. It's a matter of safety. NEVER FORGET. A dead scab is still a scab.

Sled

 

"A dead scab is still a scab".....unless he is in a clown suit, then he is a punch line.

 

I don't think any of the guys who crossed or were hired off the street during both sCAL or sUAL strikes "jumped" over other pilots on the lists. I think all pilots that walked, came back in their original seniority which was above all the guys who crossed or were hired off the street.
That being said I hope your dad is enjoying his integrity. Hopefully he has managed to salvage some of his retirement and is living well and not sucking off the teat of the government.

 

Jim, He's doing fine - integrity and all. Retires this fall, and has his house paid for and all the retirement toys in place, so I guess it still worked out for him.

On jumping over other pilots - that is exactly the intention of the Scabs that joined UAL during the strike. Ferris said he was going to re-bid the airline, so yes, that was absolutely their intention. That isn't how it turned out because ALPA didn't "lose" the strike, stayed on the property and was able to negotiate a return to work. I don't know enough CAL strike history, but suspect it was very similar intentions from the scabs that crossed from the street as newhires. The fact that they didn't jump over other pilots is not because they didn't intend to. My perspective anyway.

Scott

 

It sounds like CAL would have been bankrupt without this merger. 2 billion in bullet loans coming due (2010/11), credit card agreement default, a non cancellable aircraft order and no money to pay for the 84 aircraft order consisting of 55 737, 25 787 and 4 777s:

2009 10K filed Feb 2010.

We have backstop financing available for the three otherBoeing 737 aircraft scheduled for delivery in 2010, subject to customary closing conditions. However, we do not have backstop financing or any other financing currently in place for the balance of the Boeing aircraft on order. Further financing will be needed to satisfy our capital commitments for our firm order aircraft and other related capital expenditures. We can provide no assurance that the backstop financing or any other financing not already in place for our aircraft deliveries will be available to us when needed on acceptable terms or at all. Since the commitments for firm order aircraft are non-cancelable, and assuming no breach of the agreement by Boeing, if we are unable to obtain financing and cannot otherwise satisfy our commitment to purchase these aircraft, the manufacturer could exercise its rights and remedies under applicable law, such as seeking to terminate the contract for a material breach, selling the aircraft to one or more other parties and suing us for damages to recover any resulting losses incurred by the manufacturer.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/319687/000031968710000011/f123109form10k.htm#riskfactorsterroristattack




2010 10Q 1stQuarter earnings call

Operator

Our last question from the analyst comes from Bill Mastoris with Broadpoint, please go ahead.

Bill Mastoris - Broadpoint
Thank you. Gerry, I wonder if you could give us a status report on the aircraft deliveries into the EETCs. And maybe if you could just comment on how many remaining aircraft are yet to be placed into those transactions. And I'm specifically referring to really the second half of last year 2009-1 and 2009-2.

Gerry Laderman
Bill, you are breaking up a little bit, this is Jerry. But I think you are asking about the 2009-2 EETC and the aircraft to go into that. There are some vintage aircraft that roll off an existing EETC in May that we expect to go into that EETC as the prospective outlines. And then with respect to new aircraft, the two 777s and nine 737s that were earmarked to that transaction, we expected this time to take delivery of those aircraft by the end of August, in which case they would go into that EETC.

Bill Mastoris - Broadpoint
Okay, and Gerry, if you could comment briefly on the aircraft deliveries, for 2011. Maybe the financing for those, is that all non-back stop financing from other third parties which have been lined up or is that back stop financing?

Gerry Laderman
We have no back stop financing for those aircrafts.

Bill Mastoris - Broadpoint
For any deliveries, in 2011?

Gerry Laderman
For any remaining deliveries at all.


Continental Airlines Q1 2010 Earnings Call Transcript - Seeking Alpha

 

Keep posting this on some more threads if u got time. Means nothing by itself, but knock yourself out.

 

I knew that I was going to regret even starting down this path, but here goes nothing:

1. What about all the furloughed/retired airline guys who tried to get my job as a corporate pilot. I mean seriously, going straight to my boss, explaining how their airline experience made them better than me and asking for my job? What about that? Can you seriously state that an airline puke can try to take my job, but I can't try to take theirs? BTW, as previously stated, when offered the opportunity to scab, I didn't. Every corporate pilot that I knew from the time could tell you similar stories. So the airline guys get the wrap themselves in the union flag, but the corporate guys are on their own. Wow, what a concept.

2. I made it all the way to the Captain's board at American in about 1978, and was told by that board that since I wasn't a "fine young military pilot," that I wasn't qualified. What a crock!!!!!! Every corporate pilot that I know can tell similar stories. Yet, I didn't cross.

3. Back in the late 70s and early 80s, if you reached somewhere around 30 without getting hired, too bad so sad, you just happened to reach the magic hiring date range during a lull, so go be a Wall Mart greeter.

You guys either forget, or never knew, that even the slightest physical imperfection, being the wrong age, gender, race, and just about anything else could be unfairly disqualifying.

Oh, don't forget the Braniff guys stiffed by American, and who knows how many other airline guys stiffed by their "brothers." Without the ex Braniff pilots, the CAL strike might not have succeeded. Not picking on Braniff pilots, but in the end, most of us will decide to feed our family.

I know this is not universal, and certainly there are pilots hired at CAL in 1983 and 1984 who are complete disasters. But, there are many who had been unfairly denied the opportunity to pursue their careers, and jumped at the only game in town.

No keyboard kommando here, remember, even though given the opportunity to cross, I didn't. I simply understand the motivations, some of which are good, and some are ugly. I refuse to paint an entire group with the same brush! Those that do are not much above a lynch mob.

Now I'll apologize for the thread drift