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10-15-2013 | 08:28 AM
#271
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Just read through both...
uals -
Argumentative, outdated falsities and preachy...even calling out an arbitrator as opining...nice..the whole thing reaks of a seniority grab and tries to establish furlough credit based on equity that would be eventually achieved as pilots retire allowing the furloughs to move up (not an increase in capacity, growth or business model / performance of the company) - great expectation...well one day our guys will graduate from furlough and move up as the elder lists retire...the fact that so many were on furlough for 10+ years gives credit to ual being the weaker business model bringing less equity to the table, regardless of how many 'whales' they had...the facts remain the international block hours were higher at CAL than ual. It even goes so far as to try an rewrite the CAL seniority list pre-sli to suit their own argument better - good luck with that!
CALs-
Clear, direct stated fact with a clear goal based on fair and equitable reasoning and charted performance, whereas the ual side contradicted itself saying it would not get into specific derivations but the sinks to a level of argumentative by assuming CAL positions and arguing them out in the opening statement.
uals -
Argumentative, outdated falsities and preachy...even calling out an arbitrator as opining...nice..the whole thing reaks of a seniority grab and tries to establish furlough credit based on equity that would be eventually achieved as pilots retire allowing the furloughs to move up (not an increase in capacity, growth or business model / performance of the company) - great expectation...well one day our guys will graduate from furlough and move up as the elder lists retire...the fact that so many were on furlough for 10+ years gives credit to ual being the weaker business model bringing less equity to the table, regardless of how many 'whales' they had...the facts remain the international block hours were higher at CAL than ual. It even goes so far as to try an rewrite the CAL seniority list pre-sli to suit their own argument better - good luck with that!
CALs-
Clear, direct stated fact with a clear goal based on fair and equitable reasoning and charted performance, whereas the ual side contradicted itself saying it would not get into specific derivations but the sinks to a level of argumentative by assuming CAL positions and arguing them out in the opening statement.
Its fun to read the old posts and see people defending the 3,000 pilot staple job that never happened.
10-15-2013 | 08:33 AM
#272
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This is my favorite thread to re-read. I love how many CAL guys were fervently defending the seniority grab they proposed and how the UAL proposal would "never see the light of day". -Ben Salley quote.
10-15-2013 | 08:34 AM
#273
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Let it go LAX! It's over!
10-15-2013 | 08:44 AM
#274
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LAX, your proposal was accepted, with a slight change to the benefit of CAL. YOU WON. Seriously, how much of a D-Bag are you. At least J-sled, while gloating at first, has struck a even approach. Just stop. Even better yet go away!
10-15-2013 | 11:27 AM
#275
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What are you doing man???!!!
10-15-2013 | 12:47 PM
#277
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10-15-2013 | 07:36 PM
#279
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I think this merger has benefited the LUAL guys far more than the CAL pilots.
I understand now why you guys wanted it so bad. The majority of the CAL guys were strongly opposed to this merger.
Anyway it's over! Moving on and glad the majority of the LUAL guys are not like LAX pilot.
Class act, he is not.
I understand now why you guys wanted it so bad. The majority of the CAL guys were strongly opposed to this merger.
Anyway it's over! Moving on and glad the majority of the LUAL guys are not like LAX pilot.
Class act, he is not.
10-15-2013 | 08:42 PM
#280
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From: 777
Well......UAL guys in general did not want this either. However, once Delta-NorthWest happened, it pretty much sealed our combined fate.
The only other option was not viable, USAir, and AMR will be dealing with that mess for longer than us in ours.
Glenn was the one pushing for industry consolidation, not the line pilot. And before you get there, I'll beat you to the punch, Wendy does not count.
The only other option was not viable, USAir, and AMR will be dealing with that mess for longer than us in ours.
Glenn was the one pushing for industry consolidation, not the line pilot. And before you get there, I'll beat you to the punch, Wendy does not count.
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