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04-28-2013 | 05:32 AM
#92
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Really???? At the danger of math in public.....
I just looked at CAL system bid 14-02.
777 FO EWR: 93.9% (324/345) of the FOs can hold 737 CA EWR.....but didn't bid it.
777 FO IAH: 94.7% (90/95) of the FOs can hold 737 CA IAH.....but didn't bid it.
Of course on the 787 in IAH, 67% (102/152) of the FOs can hold 737 CA IAH. That's only 2/3 so you got me there.
I just looked at CAL system bid 14-02.
777 FO EWR: 93.9% (324/345) of the FOs can hold 737 CA EWR.....but didn't bid it.
777 FO IAH: 94.7% (90/95) of the FOs can hold 737 CA IAH.....but didn't bid it.
Of course on the 787 in IAH, 67% (102/152) of the FOs can hold 737 CA IAH. That's only 2/3 so you got me there.
04-28-2013 | 05:44 AM
#93
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Just a question from an outsider...
... and of course feel free to ignore it. If payscales were purely based on years of service, would that make these mergers go easier? DOH could theoretically be given for bidding purposes, but it really wouldn't matter because if you have been an airline pilot for 20 years, whether you be flying 737 or 777 your pay would be the same. I think the surprise that everyone would see is that some of the narrowbody flying (at DAL it would be the ATL 737) would be unbelievably senior. Caribbean turns and home every night vs 12 day multiple ocean crossings.... Of course one really big difference between us and you is that you have a billion super premium widebodies, and we have a few... but the underlying premise is still sound...
Just wondering what ya'll thought about the idea.
Just wondering what ya'll thought about the idea.
04-28-2013 | 06:03 AM
#94
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Really???? At the danger of math in public.....
I just looked at CAL system bid 14-02.
777 FO EWR: 93.9% (324/345) of the FOs can hold 737 CA EWR.....but didn't bid it.
777 FO IAH: 94.7% (90/95) of the FOs can hold 737 CA IAH.....but didn't bid it.
Of course on the 787 in IAH, 67% (102/152) of the FOs can hold 737 CA IAH. That's only 2/3 so you got me there.
I just looked at CAL system bid 14-02.
777 FO EWR: 93.9% (324/345) of the FOs can hold 737 CA EWR.....but didn't bid it.
777 FO IAH: 94.7% (90/95) of the FOs can hold 737 CA IAH.....but didn't bid it.
Of course on the 787 in IAH, 67% (102/152) of the FOs can hold 737 CA IAH. That's only 2/3 so you got me there.
04-28-2013 | 06:28 AM
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I liked the fact that the member wasn't goaded in to a classless response like the one fruend got away with... I hope it made you feel real good!!! Simple little zinger, for your simple mind... I'm sure there will be more to come to keep you entertained.... Good luck with your number....
04-28-2013 | 06:42 AM
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I agree, it still stinks that we at CAL have to now call ourselves United. I wish we would have just let UAL go out of business and bought there excess fat that we would want and let the rest be sent elsewhere.
The best part is that if I get merged in with 1995 UAL people it will be like being hired at UAL when I was a senior in high school!! I could not be senior to myself if I tried!!
In the meantime I will just fly around left seat in the 737 and enjoy it.
The best part is that if I get merged in with 1995 UAL people it will be like being hired at UAL when I was a senior in high school!! I could not be senior to myself if I tried!!
In the meantime I will just fly around left seat in the 737 and enjoy it.
And from what I've seen, first hand mind you for 16 months in the right seat of a GUPPY...Ual guys would MUCH rather not be integrating with your hodgepodge group of airline misfits. 5 airlines, 3 fighters, and experience with the pilot training system of the worlds largest defense acquisition program; I can assure this is the case.
I've NEVER flown with a more unprofessional, less standardized, and inexplicably weak pilot group in 20 years of professional aviation. Maybe this is only an issue with the GUPPY fleet, but its still an issue no less..
Just my 2 cents, but gee...what the hell do I know.
Cheers,
Horhay
04-28-2013 | 07:02 AM
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Seems you forget...ual bought cal, with cash...short-term memory issue it appears.
And from what I've seen, first hand mind you for 16 months in the right seat of a GUPPY...Ual guys would MUCH rather not be integrating with your hodgepodge group of airline misfits. 5 airlines, 3 fighters, and experience with the pilot training system of the worlds largest defense acquisition program; I can assure this is the case.
I've NEVER flown with a more unprofessional, less standardized, and inexplicably weak pilot group in 20 years of professional aviation. Maybe this is only an issue with the GUPPY fleet, but its still an issue no less..
Just my 2 cents, but gee...what the hell do I know.
Cheers,
Horhay
And from what I've seen, first hand mind you for 16 months in the right seat of a GUPPY...Ual guys would MUCH rather not be integrating with your hodgepodge group of airline misfits. 5 airlines, 3 fighters, and experience with the pilot training system of the worlds largest defense acquisition program; I can assure this is the case.
I've NEVER flown with a more unprofessional, less standardized, and inexplicably weak pilot group in 20 years of professional aviation. Maybe this is only an issue with the GUPPY fleet, but its still an issue no less..
Just my 2 cents, but gee...what the hell do I know.
Cheers,
Horhay
I see that at both airlines. I have jumpseated on UAL and CAL almost equal amounts and I can say it is 50/50 as far as having pilots that should and should not belong in the cockpit.
Unfortunately, the only bad part of ALPA is when they don't let the company fire the misfits.
I don't remember UAL buying CAL. If I remember right, it was an equal merger.
04-28-2013 | 07:03 AM
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In case you don't know, which apparently you don't (reference your post); average narrow body manning is roughly 11 dudes/jet vice a widebody which is closer to 16...hence, another glaring gap in an otherwise lackluster analysis on your part.
Cheers,
Horhay
04-28-2013 | 07:07 AM
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... and of course feel free to ignore it. If payscales were purely based on years of service, would that make these mergers go easier? DOH could theoretically be given for bidding purposes, but it really wouldn't matter because if you have been an airline pilot for 20 years, whether you be flying 737 or 777 your pay would be the same. I think the surprise that everyone would see is that some of the narrowbody flying (at DAL it would be the ATL 737) would be unbelievably senior. Caribbean turns and home every night vs 12 day multiple ocean crossings.... Of course one really big difference between us and you is that you have a billion super premium widebodies, and we have a few... but the underlying premise is still sound...
Just wondering what ya'll thought about the idea.
Just wondering what ya'll thought about the idea.
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