Important to keep in mind
04-28-2013 | 09:17 AM
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Particularly considering the last pilot related hull loss/fatality at UAL was in 1978(?) with the fuel incident in the DC-8.
I'm thinking people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
04-28-2013 | 09:19 AM
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More pilot bases does NOT a bigger airline make. It just means you have more bases.
Each base had multiple equipment types. Each type required its own reserve pilots.
I will agree that CAL staffing model sucks. You are lucky that CAL didn't have the work rules UAL had, or CAL would have more pilots.
Each base had multiple equipment types. Each type required its own reserve pilots.
I will agree that CAL staffing model sucks. You are lucky that CAL didn't have the work rules UAL had, or CAL would have more pilots.
04-28-2013 | 09:20 AM
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We have a few domestic id's on the 777, but rarely do we fly domestic. The only unaugmented flying I ever do is HNL or GUM. Last domestic id I flew was sometime last year. On 90% of my flights I have a bunkie with enough seniority to hold 320 or 767 Capt. Just choosing the better lifestyle. And FYI, the 777's I fly are all well equipped with GPS, IRS, CPDLC, Satcom etc.
SFO 777 CA.
SFO 777 CA.
Yeah...but are they ETOPS ?
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04-28-2013 | 09:42 AM
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How did you come to this conclusion? In all of the financial reports I have read, it was a straight stock transaction, with old CAL stock holders recieving a slight premimum compared to old UAL stock holders. The new holding company, UCH, was comprised of directors appointed in equal numbers by the old corportations/holding companies.
United acquired CAL by issuing 1.05 U shares for each CAL share...it was more simply an acquisition and NOT a cash purchase per se...therefore; United acquired Continental in this manner...
We good?
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Horhay
04-28-2013 | 10:01 AM
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
04-28-2013 | 10:25 AM
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The point is that he/she can hold BOTH, and has a choice! That fact should not change due to the merger! So now look at that choice and see why putting a furlough in front of that person changes their life. What choice does a furlough have? Certainly not the same as an active pilot...
Why are you so anxious to take away their active time and not count it when the policy states it is a required factor.
04-28-2013 | 11:21 AM
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The immaturity by some on this forum is unbelievable. This thread was started to remind everybody to calm down and let the SLI process run its course. It has deteriorated in to sheer idiocy. I'm sorry I started the thread. So much for civil professional discourse.
04-28-2013 | 12:41 PM
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You are correct that choice is not in ALPA merger policy, but take the blinders off. Define career expectations... Do you know what it means? Or do you think it only means widebody? It has way more latitude than you think, read past awards, and see what was considered part of expectations. You could look at everything as black and white, and with blinders on, but looking at this with an open mind and realizing the latitude that the arbitrators have, we will all be just a bit less disappointed when the list is published. You are holding on to active longevity, there are many other factors, and they WILL be credited to both sides. I would bet anything on that!
04-28-2013 | 01:03 PM
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+1. I can't believe a doctor clears some of these guys to fly airplanes for a living every year.
04-28-2013 | 01:45 PM
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Which APC person posted racist remarks to make their case? Which APC member lied to make their case? Which APC member started talking about killing passengers?
UAL pilots are on here trying to argue facts based on 10-k's and actual ALPA policy and they are running into pilots bent on slandering the profession and arguing that UAL was a dinosaur.
Some UAL pilots may succumb to emotion now and again but so far I have yet to see a UAL pilot debase themselves with racisism, lying, or vulgar references to passenger deaths.
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