Important to keep in mind
04-27-2013 | 05:21 AM
#51
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It's hard to get it through to some of you, but each side will put there best foot forward, and the arbitrators will decide! I'd be very surprised if the UAL list isn't the antithesis of the CAL list! Who cares what they put forward, only the results will count! Just be prepared to live with it! I will...
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04-27-2013 | 06:05 AM
#52
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If I were a CAL pilot it would definitely worry me. Especially if you're a Captain and were hired say 2005 timeline. You COULD be a bottom reserve pilot for a VERY long time, but then maybe not. Maybe the panel will agree that the age of your fleet, your higher W2s, and your decade of out performing legacy carriers that were busy shedding debt and pensions to prepare for the future better will win the day. Maybe. Who knows right?
04-27-2013 | 07:42 AM
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It is short term being a line holder vs reserve. Also wanting to see how things fall out. His career if far better at United long term than at CAL.
04-27-2013 | 07:46 AM
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I think the arguments are natural ones, and we will likely see them all mentioned during the UAL presentation.
04-27-2013 | 07:52 AM
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Age has nothing to do with it! So what your saying is, because you are younger, you have time! They didn't make the career decision for the folks at UAL. They chose a different path, and you feel they should be punished for that? See NS's testimony of 'A tale of two pilots". My mediator friend says that is a very difficult situation for the arbitrators to overlook, it's likely they won't!
How can you possibly know how your career progression is going to come out unless you say "This is what our proposed list looks like in 10 years...."
04-27-2013 | 09:57 AM
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Age has nothing to do with it! So what your saying is, because you are younger, you have time! They didn't make the career decision for the folks at UAL. They chose a different path, and you feel they should be punished for that? See NS's testimony of 'A tale of two pilots". My mediator friend says that is a very difficult situation for the arbitrators to overlook, it's likely they won't!
04-27-2013 | 10:27 AM
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I don't have the transcript in front of me but is that the one during the CAL presentation where the UAL attorney later cross-examanined the witness and pointed out, using the exact same two pilots presented during his testimony, that the furloughed UAL pilot would retire a 747 CA and the CAL pilot could never hold anything other than 737 CA despite the 15 year age difference????
If so, then yes I agree, I think the arbitrators should have noticed.
If so, then yes I agree, I think the arbitrators should have noticed.
04-27-2013 | 11:49 AM
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I don't have the transcript in front of me but is that the one during the CAL presentation where the UAL attorney later cross-examanined the witness and pointed out, using the exact same two pilots presented during his testimony, that the furloughed UAL pilot would retire a 747 CA and the CAL pilot could never hold anything other than 737 CA despite the 15 year age difference????
If so, then yes I agree, I think the arbitrators should have noticed.
If so, then yes I agree, I think the arbitrators should have noticed.
04-27-2013 | 11:54 AM
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So what YOU'RE saying is, absent a merger, I retire in the top 10% of the seniority list; with a merger and the "proposed" CAL SLI, I retire at the 45% mark. Meanwhile, the entire widebody fleet is filled with CAL guys that would have never seen a widebody captain's seat without the merger. I'm sure that factored in to these young jedis' minds when they took a job at CAL (rolling my eyes).
They aren't stupid. They get what you are saying. They obviously benefit every year more than the previous year. That's why guys on this forum on the CAL side don't want to talk about career expectations.
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