And so it begins
04-29-2013 | 03:42 PM
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04-29-2013 | 04:40 PM
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Contractually, this has already been determined to be a 76 seat airplane (rated 85,000 lbs but 88 seats max capacity) that triggers scope choke. It's good news not bad. It is an indication that the ALPA plan is working and they are planning on replacing 50 seaters with 76 seaters to the extent allowed. If you don't believe me call your ALPA rep who worked on this topic.
“76-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than seventy (70) passenger seats but no more than seventy-six (76) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States for ninety (90) or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum United States certificated gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
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04-29-2013 | 05:07 PM
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I'm just surprised it took so long to order. Its been 5months. I figured they would have wanted them in place by jan 1. Now comes the rfp for express.. who's gonna get the axe for the removed 50 seat hulls the release talks about
04-29-2013 | 06:15 PM
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Contractually, this has already been determined to be a 76 seat airplane (rated 85,000 lbs but 88 seats max capacity) that triggers scope choke. It's good news not bad. It is an indication that the ALPA plan is working and they are planning on replacing 50 seaters with 76 seaters to the extent allowed. If you don't believe me call your ALPA rep who worked on this topic.
Yet ALPA says we won the scope war because we forced management to park 50 seaters!?! GMAFB! Unfortunately the koolaid will wear off one day when we all collectively realize we are a bunch of idiots for buying off on yet another supposed 'scope choke'...
04-29-2013 | 06:19 PM
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*Sigh* I shouldn't bother BUT just can't help myself. Simple fact, management was going to park 50 seaters. They are high cost, unpopular with elites, and running out of airframe time. Another simple fact, management desperately wanted the CRJ 900 sized airframe since they are lower cost, popular with elites, and brand new. End result, management is getting the airframes they want that have an entire generation of shelf life to utilize.
Yet ALPA says we won the scope war because we forced management to park 50 seaters!?! GMAFB! Unfortunately the koolaid will wear off one day when we all collectively realize we are a bunch of idiots for buying off on yet another supposed 'scope choke'...
Yet ALPA says we won the scope war because we forced management to park 50 seaters!?! GMAFB! Unfortunately the koolaid will wear off one day when we all collectively realize we are a bunch of idiots for buying off on yet another supposed 'scope choke'...
You are espousing a line of thinking that is totally without merit and shows a complete lack of understanding of the latest scope clause.
04-29-2013 | 06:26 PM
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How do you know this? Can you give me proof in any shape or form?
So in total I asked 4 questions. I hope you will spare me glib answers and give me a response that has factual content and cogent data similar to the contractual language and seat diagram which I posted above.
So in total I asked 4 questions. I hope you will spare me glib answers and give me a response that has factual content and cogent data similar to the contractual language and seat diagram which I posted above.
04-29-2013 | 06:29 PM
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Your post says nothing about how you would evaluate success. The advent of 76 seat orders heralds a reduction in fleet size and ASMs. What is it that you are seeing as negative and how do you propose to measure success or failure? If UAL has 1 billion available seat miles and 40% are express and that falls to 1 billion available seat miles with 10% express is that failure?
Of course they don't mention that their old contract allowed unlimited Q400 airplanes which can be configured up to 80 seats. At least we got that one removed....
