And so it begins
04-30-2013 | 06:44 AM
#61
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Get off!
Sunvox,
Your clearly an imposter. There's no way you can be a United pilot on here.
Your cogent, organized and above all make sense and keep your arguements without resorting to typical pilot childishness.
No way a UniCal driver.
Are u Piers Morgan lurking on here? Fess up.
Your clearly an imposter. There's no way you can be a United pilot on here.
Your cogent, organized and above all make sense and keep your arguements without resorting to typical pilot childishness.
No way a UniCal driver.
Are u Piers Morgan lurking on here? Fess up.
04-30-2013 | 07:03 AM
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From: Cal reserve..the gift that keeps on giving
LAX-
As a LCAL Pilot, I would gladly go back to my old Scope.
The reality is.. the 50 seaters are a dying breed.
What the company wants (and got) and what passengers want is/are and Jet Aircraft with a First/Business class that is comfortable and profitable on long (2-3 hour flights) segments.
The reality is, the Q400 is a good airplane, but it is not going to fill the mission that these E175's are going to.
At the end of the day, our (CAL) old Scope was a disadvantage to the company when compared to what the competition is/was doing.
I believe that is called "Leverage".
It is what it is. But I just feel that the money that UAL/UCH just spent (reported as a value of 2.9 BILLION [though we know it is probably much much less]) for these aircraft to be operated by non UAL Employees (Pilots, F/A's, Mechanics...) could and should have been spent towards giving us Full Retro, Delta + something TODAY and a host of other things~
We'll get them in 2020.
Motch
PS> Someone remember this Thread in about 3-4 years when we are furloughing, parking the A319's and growing the Large RJ Fleet.
PPS> Just my opinion...
As a LCAL Pilot, I would gladly go back to my old Scope.
The reality is.. the 50 seaters are a dying breed.
What the company wants (and got) and what passengers want is/are and Jet Aircraft with a First/Business class that is comfortable and profitable on long (2-3 hour flights) segments.
The reality is, the Q400 is a good airplane, but it is not going to fill the mission that these E175's are going to.
At the end of the day, our (CAL) old Scope was a disadvantage to the company when compared to what the competition is/was doing.
I believe that is called "Leverage".
It is what it is. But I just feel that the money that UAL/UCH just spent (reported as a value of 2.9 BILLION [though we know it is probably much much less]) for these aircraft to be operated by non UAL Employees (Pilots, F/A's, Mechanics...) could and should have been spent towards giving us Full Retro, Delta + something TODAY and a host of other things~
We'll get them in 2020.
Motch
PS> Someone remember this Thread in about 3-4 years when we are furloughing, parking the A319's and growing the Large RJ Fleet.
PPS> Just my opinion...
04-30-2013 | 07:04 AM
#63
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Sunvox,
Your clearly an imposter. There's no way you can be a United pilot on here.
Your cogent, organized and above all make sense and keep your arguements without resorting to typical pilot childishness.
No way a UniCal driver.
Are u Piers Morgan lurking on here? Fess up.
Your clearly an imposter. There's no way you can be a United pilot on here.
Your cogent, organized and above all make sense and keep your arguements without resorting to typical pilot childishness.
No way a UniCal driver.
Are u Piers Morgan lurking on here? Fess up.
dvhighdrive88,
And sir it is patiently obvious that you are a real pilot as you've misspelled "your" twice. If you are trying to say you are it's you're not your.
Keep up the good work. You've passed the test. You're an honest to god pylot. No doubt about it!
I also wanted to prove my validity with my childish. response. How did I do?
04-30-2013 | 07:06 AM
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From: 737 CA
04-30-2013 | 07:08 AM
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If we're lucky. If we keep losing money and getting ranked 14 of 14, Wall Street will eventually say the merger didn't fix anything, the money will dry up again, and they'll split us between DAL and USAir with 73s to SWA. End-state 3 giant airlines. We may not have seen our last SLI.
04-30-2013 | 08:16 AM
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dvhighdrive88,
And sir it is patiently obvious that you are a real pilot as you've misspelled "your" twice. If you are trying to say you are it's you're not your.
Keep up the good work. You've passed the test. You're an honest to god pylot. No doubt about it!
I also wanted to prove my validity with my childish. response. How did I do?
And sir it is patiently obvious that you are a real pilot as you've misspelled "your" twice. If you are trying to say you are it's you're not your.
Keep up the good work. You've passed the test. You're an honest to god pylot. No doubt about it!
I also wanted to prove my validity with my childish. response. How did I do?
Lol. Damn your right!
04-30-2013 | 09:41 AM
#68
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From: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787
If the "Ex-Con" slogan is so taboo, why is L-UA's own Mainliner Store (the store in the lobby of building "F" at TK) selling these "Ex-Con" items???
The gal behind the counter apparently keeps them under lock-n-key
04-30-2013 | 09:42 AM
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Sorry G, but I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.
1) If the company were to fly a CRJ-900 as a 76 seater they would be giving up an enormous amount of revenue and would be configuring them unlike industry standard. In a business where margins run 2 to 3% in a good quarter giving up 2 seats out of 78 is a huge revenue loss and no amount of cynicism about how management can act will convince me that that is about to happen.
1) If the company were to fly a CRJ-900 as a 76 seater they would be giving up an enormous amount of revenue and would be configuring them unlike industry standard. In a business where margins run 2 to 3% in a good quarter giving up 2 seats out of 78 is a huge revenue loss and no amount of cynicism about how management can act will convince me that that is about to happen.
You said so yourself that the EMB 175 is certificated for a max of 88 seats. But they will be flown with 76 seats to meet the scope restrictions. So how hard is it to take a max certificated 90 seat CRJ 900 and make it have 76 seats. Hint hint Delta is already doing that, so that is the new industry norm.
Current year end 2013 70 seats aircraft flying equals 185 (32 Q400's/115 CRj 700's/38 Emb 170's). 153 76 seat aircraft are allowed before the scope choke line, with a max cap of 255 70+ seaters total allowed. So currently there is room for 70 of the 76 seaters to be added before that 255 number is reached.
For the life of this contract, I doubt we will see the scope choke apply. It will take 3+ years to even get those additional 76 seaters currently allowed, just based on the manufacturers delivery slots. By then we will be negotiating the next contract.
Beer is definitely a must, layover or not, and since you are senior to me, first round is on you.
G
04-30-2013 | 10:39 AM
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Joe,
You said so yourself that the EMB 175 is certificated for a max of 88 seats. But they will be flown with 76 seats to meet the scope restrictions. So how hard is it to take a max certificated 90 seat CRJ 900 and make it have 76 seats. Hint hint Delta is already doing that, so that is the new industry norm.
Current year end 2013 70 seats aircraft flying equals 185 (32 Q400's/115 CRj 700's/38 Emb 170's). 153 76 seat aircraft are allowed before the scope choke line, with a max cap of 255 70+ seaters total allowed. So currently there is room for 70 of the 76 seaters to be added before that 255 number is reached.
For the life of this contract, I doubt we will see the scope choke apply. It will take 3+ years to even get those additional 76 seaters currently allowed, just based on the manufacturers delivery slots. By then we will be negotiating the next contract.
Beer is definitely a must, layover or not, and since you are senior to me, first round is on you.
G
You said so yourself that the EMB 175 is certificated for a max of 88 seats. But they will be flown with 76 seats to meet the scope restrictions. So how hard is it to take a max certificated 90 seat CRJ 900 and make it have 76 seats. Hint hint Delta is already doing that, so that is the new industry norm.
Current year end 2013 70 seats aircraft flying equals 185 (32 Q400's/115 CRj 700's/38 Emb 170's). 153 76 seat aircraft are allowed before the scope choke line, with a max cap of 255 70+ seaters total allowed. So currently there is room for 70 of the 76 seaters to be added before that 255 number is reached.
For the life of this contract, I doubt we will see the scope choke apply. It will take 3+ years to even get those additional 76 seaters currently allowed, just based on the manufacturers delivery slots. By then we will be negotiating the next contract.
Beer is definitely a must, layover or not, and since you are senior to me, first round is on you.
G
I agree scope choke may not take hold within the next 4 years, but I disagree that it will never take hold. The mere fact that the company is clearly ordering 70 planes to match their max and the fact that these planes are designated as 50 seat replacements shows that many of the naysayers were very wrong. As I recall some folks were out there explaining how the company was going to run out and buy hundreds more 50 seaters because there was no limit for that category. Obviously that has not come to fruition.
But, either way I guess I'm buying the beer.
Your Ole Buddy,
Joe
