And so it begins
04-30-2013 | 04:55 AM
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Joe,
Just because we have a rate for the Crj900 does not mean we are the only one who can fly them. As you previously posted, the scope limits is:
“76-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than seventy (70) passenger seats but no more than seventy-six (76) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States for ninety (90) or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum United States certificated gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
The Crj900 meets those criteria as long as its outfitted with only 76 seats max. It's MTOW is 84,500lbs.
And the scope choke won't begin to have an effect until such time as the company wants more then 153 of the large rj's. So only 123 orders to go.
In order to get more then the 153, to the 325 number (of 70 + seats) you posted they have to order a new small narrowbody for the mainline. The dwindling ratio, and eventual limit of 125 less then 70 seat airframes will only then begin to happen as well. So not something we will see in this current 4 year contract.
Think of it this way.....to catch up the where Delta is already, the first 153 70+ seaters are free to the company, before any scope choke might take hold.
a former student @ DXR
Just because we have a rate for the Crj900 does not mean we are the only one who can fly them. As you previously posted, the scope limits is:
“76-Seat Aircraft” means aircraft configured with more than seventy (70) passenger seats but no more than seventy-six (76) passenger seats, and certificated in the United States for ninety (90) or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum United States certificated gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.
The Crj900 meets those criteria as long as its outfitted with only 76 seats max. It's MTOW is 84,500lbs.
And the scope choke won't begin to have an effect until such time as the company wants more then 153 of the large rj's. So only 123 orders to go.
In order to get more then the 153, to the 325 number (of 70 + seats) you posted they have to order a new small narrowbody for the mainline. The dwindling ratio, and eventual limit of 125 less then 70 seat airframes will only then begin to happen as well. So not something we will see in this current 4 year contract.Think of it this way.....to catch up the where Delta is already, the first 153 70+ seaters are free to the company, before any scope choke might take hold.
a former student @ DXR
Sorry G, but I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.
1) If the company were to fly a CRJ-900 as a 76 seater they would be giving up an enormous amount of revenue and would be configuring them unlike industry standard. In a business where margins run 2 to 3% in a good quarter giving up 2 seats out of 78 is a huge revenue loss and no amount of cynicism about how management can act will convince me that that is about to happen.
1-C-1-a-(2)-(c) Up to a total of 255 76-Seat Aircraft plus 70-Seat Aircraft (“76/70- Seat Aircraft”), of which up to 130 may be 76-Seat Aircraft, and then, on or after January 1, 2016, up to 153 76-Seat Aircraft.
2) The company is already flying more than 190 aircraft in the category of 70/76 seaters so the total limit of 76 seaters available for purchase is 65 and this order with the options triggers that limit precisely.
I think after more than 3 decades of losing ground in our profession, pilots are simply unwilling to accept that the outlook for the next decade is better. Better movement, better pay, better work rules, and more consolidation of flying under the mainline banner. I bet this same group of naysayers have been sitting in cash for the last 4 years instead of investing in the stock market.
Like I said, clearly we will have to agree to disagree for now, but maybe we can revisit this thread in 5 years and then we'll see who's buying the beer on our first layover together.
04-30-2013 | 05:34 AM
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04-30-2013 | 05:52 AM
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Sorry G, but I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.
1) If the company were to fly a CRJ-900 as a 76 seater they would be giving up an enormous amount of revenue and would be configuring them unlike industry standard. In a business where margins run 2 to 3% in a good quarter giving up 2 seats out of 78 is a huge revenue loss and no amount of cynicism about how management can act will convince me that that is about to happen.
1) If the company were to fly a CRJ-900 as a 76 seater they would be giving up an enormous amount of revenue and would be configuring them unlike industry standard. In a business where margins run 2 to 3% in a good quarter giving up 2 seats out of 78 is a huge revenue loss and no amount of cynicism about how management can act will convince me that that is about to happen.
Will they even count against the number required to activate the scope choke?
http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...raer-jets.aspx
04-30-2013 | 06:01 AM
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As for the Q400s, true CAL scope allowed an unlimited # of these airplanes, but people didn't book on them and they are slow and have high maintenance issues. If the company wanted more Q400s, they would have bought more of them and used them well before any merger occurred.
UAL will wait until next contract and ask for more 76 seaters in exchange for another pay raise.
04-30-2013 | 06:07 AM
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Here's the text from the actual UAL press release titled United to Add 30 New Embraer 76-Seat Aircraft to United Express Fleet:
"The Embraer 175 is the first 76-seat regional jet aircraft in the United Express fleet. The aircraft will be configured with 12 United First, 16 Economy Plus and 48 United Economy seats."
04-30-2013 | 06:14 AM
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Oh you CAL guys and all your BIG airplanes!
04-30-2013 | 06:28 AM
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04-30-2013 | 06:33 AM
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04-30-2013 | 06:41 AM
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Sunvox they don't get it. They aren't used to seeing anything larger than a 50 seat jet because when all you have are 737s you really don't need to feed them with anything bigger. So now they are in the "big boy league" and they see a bigger airplane feeding a global widebody airline, and they get all excited.
Of course they don't mention that their old contract allowed unlimited Q400 airplanes which can be configured up to 80 seats. At least we got that one removed....
Of course they don't mention that their old contract allowed unlimited Q400 airplanes which can be configured up to 80 seats. At least we got that one removed....
