"I was taught a valuable lesson early on in life. You get nothing without working hard for it. And sometimes, you have to fight for it. And sometimes Life is Unfair.
"

You know I have noticed over the years (at least 20 more than horrid) that people who have "got theirs" make statements like this all too often.

Now with that aside, most of the accompanying info also on that post concerning SFOFO are mostly based on ignorance and speculation.

UAL could bid a B737 base for the sUAL pilots right now. Problems? Training for one and how the base will integrate after the ISL is another. Will sCAL get another bid before the ISL? I believe the contractual answer is no. But, rather than hear from me or the previous poster with idle uninformed speculation it would be worthwhile would check with your local reps (sUAL and sCAL) to see what they have to say.

I'm sure glad only a few have worked hard for anything and blame the rest of us for being slackers.

;(

 

The other Jay tried to explain this to your jay but he insisted on trying to manipulate the contract to improve cal SLI. This should have been a much stronger contract as related to scope but both committees spent much time and arbitrator time trying to get past SLI issues pierce insisted on. The cal pilots got a lot from this contract and those portions that can enforced should be enforced as if we all voted for it.

 

This was not made as a slight but more to indicate that this contract got you a contractual right to a crew meal. Now it's a matter of enforcing the contract so you don't have to seek self-help.

 

First of all RegularGuy, I don't know your background and you don't know mine (probably).
But there are alot of guys on here who do. I'm prior Enlisted, went to College on my own dime, took out the loan to get my ratings.
I also CFI'd, Chartered and did the Regional thing while still serving in the Guard.

I earned my position.

I'm sorry to hear what happened to your (and the UAL Pilots) careers. It Sucks. Truly does. Same as it sucks for the TWA guys, the PanAm guys, the Eastern guys.. etc.

I for one don't believe our list is gonna fly. Guys from my squadron who have never been furloughed, (97 hires) should not be junior to me. My opinion.
Same time.. guys who have been furloughed, who have NOT been recalled back to LUAL, who would NOT have been recalled for years.. should NOT be senior to any working pilot at CAL.
(and I'm specifically talking about the InVol Furloughs here.)
Your list is just as wrong there...

Do I get ****ed if the neighbor hits the Lotto and I don't. Nope. It's Life. Do I act all obnoxious if my house survives a natural disaster and the neighbors don't.. Nope. It's Life.

Life isn't fair sometimes. You do the best you can and move forward. I've stated repeatedly, I voted NO and that's that. However, I was not the one who brought it up.. a UAL Pilot did. I therefore asked him how he voted.

Once we have an SLI, I'll live with it. Hopefully I'm not too screwed. Either way, I'll adjust my future plans.

As far as a next bid.. it was stated by our MEC at my last council meeting, and on the last Town Hall Conference Call that- The Continental way of system bids are probably over.. even though, contractually we would probably need to have another bid come Aug/Sept.
That being said, any future bid is suppose to follow the new JCBA method. Therein lies the potential problem.

We are still operating in separate systems. UAL bidding and flying their equipment, CAL doing the same.
If the rumors of IT issues are true, and that even after a SLI there will still be two separate systems.. then what?!
Come 1 Sept and we have a list. Great.
On the 6th of Sept when we PBS Bid, it will still be (most likely) separate bids..
Until the IT side gets done, even with the List, there are still major issues to be resolved.

If the SFO base bid does open up around the SLI time.. the base itself probably won't open till sometime next year. More than enough time to make all the necessary adjustments.

But to say that I "got mine" and therefore don't care about my fellow pilots is untrue.
You might not like my opinion.. but so what. From the 7000 or so UAL Pilots out there, there are only a handful I don't really like. And the majority are those who I haven't even met. Just know through the numerous Forums.
But I'll still be willing to sit down and have a beer with them. But the reality is, most likely, I won't be able to change their minds about all this crap.. and they won't be able to change mine either.

It is what it is.

Motch

PS> Considering that I'm 46.. guess that makes you "at least" 66?!

PPS> Please explain to me how LUAL bids a 737 SFO base.. when you have no aircraft per the TPA to fill it? nor do you have a training program.. and where do you pull the pilots from without it affecting the rest of your fleet?

 

Horrido

"I earned my position."

Yeah you fit in nicely and are superior to so many other pilots here from both sides.

Dude, everyone I know (with the exception of some hired in 1985) "earned" their stripes so quit puffing your opinions and chest like you have something special going on.

Now I do apologize about the age, I only have a bit more than a decade over you, it's just your boisterous comments reminded me of so many 30 somethings who also "earned" it.

Now as far as the 737s goes, in case you haven't read it there are a certain amount already slated for the sUAL side with deliveries to begin in time for a base to be bid on the sUAL side this fall. Additionally there are 757-200s being parked and scheduled to be parked. Yes there's no training program set up yet, although the issue is being worked on while we rant.

I'm glad your a hero because I just fly jets from points A to B and probably haven't earned much else let alone deserve anything more in life.

As far as your opinion about the "list" goes neither you nor I have any say in it except for our respective MECs to decide they don't like it and do a USAir. Now won't that be a career builder for many.

 

Maybe that is why you voted no... the JCBA didn't meet your expectations to your perceived 'earned position'.....

Rather, you were born into a certain status, with given opportunities that you took advantage of...... Just like the rest of us....

Not sure how the CAL guys manufacture expectations from a FAR work rule CBA to Delta+1.... get something close enough, then scoff at it, like suddenly, a catalyst event, like a merger, makes them the favored top elite pilot group in the country......

 

We were offered DAL +1 before the merger. MGT. had a cool website and everything to try and convince us that we should give away our scope and take the few pieces of silver. We responded by flooding the CPO with the printed offers with a big NO printed on them. The CAL group would not have given up 50 seat scope without this merger being shoved down our throat.

 

You're kidding right! Your management didn't need or want RJ's. They had the cal pilots with worst than RJ work rules to cover it.

 

Damn straight it didn't meet my expectations. Sorry you don't feel you were worth more. Kinda sad actually.

Motch

 

Wow, a United Pilot who actually apologizes for something. I thought you guys never made mistakes or wrong assumptions?!

Hero?!
Wow.. guess English comprehension isn't in the top of your skill sets, huh.

My definition of a "Hero" is someone who runs towards danger.. The Greatest Generation comes to mind.. the guys who stormed the beaches at Normandy.
Or those Firefighters who ran into the towers on 9/11... knowing that they might not come out.

Hero is a pretty big word. Shouldn't be thrown around like it means nothing. Then again, a handful of you tools only think that you and your United Pilots are so great, and that every CAL Pilots is either a SCAB, or just lucky to be there, that we should be glad to fly jets with the name "United" on the side. That we brought nothing to the table.

In Aug/Sept we will have the list. We'll see where it leads next. Just hope that this small segment on APC doesn't really represent the big picture.
Every UAL Furloughee/CAL NewHire I've flown with has been pretty cool. Even the ones with the red id holders and the one without wings on his shirt. (and I totally agreed with where he was coming with that.)

See you in the Fall.
You know who I am.. so you have the advantage. Happy?!

Always
Motch