SpecialTracking

I hate to say it, but all bets are off if this ISL award goes off the ranch. I'm hoping for all of us it doesn't.

Gupboy

It will go relative seniority +\- 2%...the UAL furloughs will be the factor as to what the bottom third relative will be.

Oh and save your breath...everybody knows "relative" is not actually mentioned in ALPA merger policy, but definitely falls within the guidelines of the policy Which is written with lattitude exactly for scenarios such as the UAL/CAL merger.

LAX Pilot

Well relative to the 2010 list (+ or - 5%), not whatever it looks like today, and I predict that the UAL furloughees are not stapled, but integrated according to the UAL proposal.

Actually, VERY CLOSE to the UAL proposal is my prediction.

Maxepr1

Define off the Ranch? Do you mean not getting your MECs' proposal or getting CALs' proposal ? Is some where between those off the ranch?

syd111

Yes between those 2 is off the ranch

Gupboy

And I will live with that and move on...as you should be able to do in the event that it goes differently from your prediction. Will you?

Boneman

You are delusional.

LAX Pilot

Yes. I'm tired of the drama. Plus I think having heard both sides, and all the data, that very close to relative seniority with minor adjustments for longevity and status and category differences are appropriate.

And to be clear, my prediction is the UAL proposed list. Not something "in-between" the two.

I believe that if the CAL team had seen the UAL proposal first, they wouldn't a have proposed such an extreme list. I think they thought UAL would do something extreme and so this was pre-emptive.

Oh the joys of having to present your case first....

Really

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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking

I hate to say it, but all bets are off if this ISL award goes off the ranch.

This is the comment that REALLY worries me!! Who gets to determine whether the award "goes off the ranch?" That is a very US Air type thought process. Do I think the NIC award was fair? Not sure?! It's not my JOB or RIGHT to decide!! I agreed to a process!! The BIGGEST part about the US Air Agreement that I had an issue with was the pilots of US Air agreed to BINDING ARBITRATION and then when it didn't go their way, they grabbed their toys and went home!! I am BIG on HONOR and ETHICS and I sure wouldn't want to do business with any of those guys!! You can ream the CAL MEC all you want and say they are not honorable but, we as a group (not individuals) entered into an agreed process! I hope you are of the HONORABLE type! I will promise you 100% if it goes off the ranch according to ME, you will NOT see me a part of ANY legal or decertification effort!!! (I AGREE with the process before and after the award!!)

syd111

You are entitled to your opinion, but my opinion is the cal list is delusional.